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Topic: UK dealers?

Are there any shops stocking Hot Sails in the UK?

I'd like to try out some sails before I buy but an internet search doesn't bring up any.

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if you can't find any, or anyone at the beach who would let you try out some, just ask here.
people are pretty accurate with their descriptions, especially about the feel of every sail!

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Sergio,  I can read a hundred reviews but need to be able to try the sail..

What other people may like may not suit me.

For example my experience of the Superfreak ME was at odds with most other peoples. I did not like that sail - apart from the looks!
A friend has a 4.7 KS3 that I'd like to try if ever the conditions are suitable but he's about 70 kgs and I'm 98. From experience what suits a light weight does not often suit a heavy sailor.

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well I know what you mean... but after having read people's opinions I've always found the impressions pretty accurate. It also depends on what you're sailing and what would like to achieve: control, softness> freaks control, brutal power, superb riding, ks3/s medium power, handling, fun riding>qu4ds no brainer in whatever  conditions> firelight. that said, hope you'll find some to try! cheers!

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wully wrote:

Sergio,  I can read a hundred reviews but need to be able to try the sail..

What other people may like may not suit me.

For example my experience of the Superfreak ME was at odds with most other peoples. I did not like that sail - apart from the looks!
A friend has a 4.7 KS3 that I'd like to try if ever the conditions are suitable but he's about 70 kgs and I'm 98. From experience what suits a light weight does not often suit a heavy sailor.

Hope you find a dealer, it seems there was a recent change, but not sure...What discrepancy did you find with the SFME? ... Just curious... What do you like in a sail? I have steered a few people away from KS3 due to what their preference & riding style is. That said, I may never ride any other sail!(except to try...)

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calebchinookRD wrote:

Hope you find a dealer, it seems there was a recent change, but not sure...What discrepancy did you find with the SFME? ... Just curious... What do you like in a sail? I have steered a few people away from KS3 due to what their preference & riding style is. That said, I may never ride any other sail!(except to try...)

I could not get the SFME to set without a step in the soft part of the sail no matter what mast I set it on or how I tuned it which may be the reason it lacked any power, it was a 5.8 but felt like my 5.2 Tushingham Rock - which I have a full quiver of and would continue to use if they were still made. I did “ask Jeffrey” but got no response.

I’ve always liked semi-soft sails for the variable power delivery- I dislike on/off sails that feel like a door!

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Wully,

What is a "step in the soft part of the sail"?

I've not heard anyone describe a sail set that way before. If possible, post a picture. And please include details about the mast you are using.

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that sounds like the dimple at the mast, that's what gives those sails their character.  Flat when riding or sheeting out, fills up to get planing. If you've tried to flatten it out on land that may be why you hardly planed. Anyway Freaks are not reactive sails, as the KS3 that are the opposite, even if they still flatten out when needed. Cheers!

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I used several different masts from different companies - but not an HSM mast, both RDM and SDM but the step in the soft part of the sail between the ends of the battens and the mast was still there when sheeted in. With no wind in the sail there was of course some slack material  that 'should' fill with the wind to make a nice profile- but I could never get a smooth profile in the sail no matter what I tried. instead of a profile

like this  (   

I got this  <   

Hope that makes sense?

I have had semi soft-sails before and have looked at an HSM KS3 recently that had a smooth curve profile in the soft section , as did the Taka 3 I've seen.

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The profile shape you describe is characteristic of all Superfreaks if you mean the "kink" at the end of the short battens. That said, it has no effect on the power or performance. The lack of power is likely due to tuning or the particular size you were using. There were certain sizes which had to be re-worked to get more power(early 4.7 ME's were one...) so perhaps it was just that specific sail. When I sailed them it was only in small sizes(3.7-4.2) & I consistently outplaned others on various brands such as Ezzy. The Super freak sails in general are kind of Marmite sails that may or may not appeal to you. Personally I love the KS3! However, though it is night & day different to the SFME, it is also somewhat unique in feel so you may get on better with the QU4D or Firelight which are more conventional feeling - though also great sails.

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With sufficient power, the "step" at the luff end of the battens will go away and the SF will have the nicely curved shape you imagine as "normal". I've marveled at this non-aerodynamic looking shape, and all I can say is it works.

As to grunt, or lack of it, my personal feeling is that Freaks are - subjectively - about 0.5 sq.m. less powerful than most freeride sails of same size rating. For that reason, I tend to rig them with a little bit less downhaul that HSM specs.

On the good size, I think you'll be hard pressed to find a sail that's as comfortable and controllable to use when it's massively overpowered. The top end on Freaks is amazing.

Watch the rigging video on Super Freaks (it's in the SuperFreak threads), start with your sail rigged as in the video, and then try it with a cm or two (max) less downhaul. The secret to proper downhaul is to look for a dimple in the luff sleeve cloth at the 2nd batten (i.e., from the top). Just adjust the downhaul until you see that dimple (no boom on the mast. For max power, add outhaul until the sail just touches the boom arm when you're maximally powered on the water. (Won't be able to know the proper outhaul until you're actually planing and powered up, but once you've got it you're good forever).

To depower, once you've found a downhaul you like, only use more outhaul (leaving downhaul alone).

Hope this helps!

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Thank Geoff.

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The "Kink" or "bubble", in the luff of the SuperFreak is a BIG part of why the sail works the way it does. My suggestion is if the sail is working well for you but this annoys you, just stop looking at it and enjoy your sailing!
The Superfreaks are rule beaters and don't follow the norms of windsurf sails. Like Caleb said "You either love them or can leave them", not a lot of gray area!

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I've been sailing the KS3 since they first came out (2013?) and they are still my favorite sails. About 2 years ago a good friend of mine rattled me by consistently telling me 3 batten sails were shyte to the point where I thought he might be right, so I tried a bunch of other brands. After 12 months of trying North Heros, Goya Banzai, Neil Pryde Combat and Atlas, Loft Pure Lip and Aerotech Phantom in their biggest sizes (5.8 and up), I decided that the KS3 was the best of the bunch for wave riding. It is as early planing as any of the other brands I tried, but has a light feeling while sailing in a straight line, and seems to go neutral in a top turn better than any of the others. Some of the other brands I liked enough that if the KS3 was no longer available I would choose that sail, and others I really disliked (Hero 5.8 gets special mention for not being to my taste). I'm lighter than you (85 kg), and own KS3 in 6.7 / 6.1 / 5.5 / 5.2.

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5.8 KSS on it's way!

Really looking forward tot rying this sail out.

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wully wrote:

5.8 KSS on it's way!

Really looking forward tot rying this sail out.

from UK ?

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From France..

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Sweet! I have never sailed a KS3 that big, let us know how you get on...

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calebchinookRD wrote:

Sweet! I have never sailed a KS3 that big, let us know how you get on...

KSS 6.7 works for foiing too !

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5.8m is my "go to" sail in anything under 20. Love it. Invest in a good mast though!

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So after an agonising wait for moderate wind and some reasonable temperatures to coincide I got my 5.8 KSS out on the water this afternoon.
The wind was light at 8-14 knots over flat water and 8 degrees Celsius . Board was a Fanatic Feewave STB 114.

I rigged the Spider on a 100% carbon Chinook 400 wave mast which seemed OK - I might try it on a Carbon 100  430 Amex Supersport  next time to see how that works.

First impressions on floating out to the breeze was just how light the rig felt - incredibly light compared to what I've been sailing the last 4-5 years. Next was the power in the sail as the wind started to fill in  - I had not expected that much 'grunt' in the light winds today as it was very marginal conditions for my 90 kilos. When the gusts came through the sail powered up and I was planing easily without any fighting of the sail. This was the first time I'd used a sail with less than 5 battens in over 20 years and  I was expecting the  centre  of effort in the sail to move around a bit as the gusts hit but didn't feel this. The wind was very soft today so maybe I had an easy time of it- maybe it'll feel a bit more lively in more wind?

I wasn't out long as the wind and the light started to fade but my first impressions are that this is a very, very good sail for me and I can see me replacing my existing sails with KS3 or KSS.

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Nice! ... I think you will find the top end is very good as well - though you may vary the tuning & tighten it up some. I use that mast on my 4.9 & works very well. Tough to say on the AMEX 430, but if its a similar bend it may work well for you if you are little heavier than average.

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I run my 5.8m on a 430 to maximize low end power. I suspect that Amex will be pretty good for your weight.
Great you had such a great first sail!
You can use this size sail in up to 25knots, you will just need more outhaul. The outhaul is you main tuning point once you have the correct downhaul for your mast.
Enjoy!

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Jeffrey Henderson wrote:

I run my 5.8m on a 430 to maximize low end power. I suspect that Amex will be pretty good for your weight.
Great you had such a great first sail!
You can use this size sail in up to 25knots, you will just need more outhaul. The outhaul is you main tuning point once you have the correct downhaul for your mast.
Enjoy!

but why is a 400 mast as the ideal mast on the hsm site...for the 5.8...?

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uwe wrote:

but why is a 400 mast as the ideal mast on the hsm site...for the 5.8...?

I wondered this also and think that the bend curve with the 400 on a long extension will alter the luff curve and shape of the 5.8 in favour of lighter riders as it may give the sail a softer response. Maybe slightly altering the mast to more of a flex top rather than constant curve?

The 430 will move that curve lower which may suit a heavier sailor?

I doubt I would feel this with my skill level but plan on using the 5.8 again on Saturday and will rig it on the 430 and see how that feels.

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