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can555 wrote:

Funny, I don't really recognize the 4.7 Fire's published traits in the Boardseeker review. I'm 90 kgs and find it ultra stable (I'm often riding comfortably overpowered), decent bottom end, very direct,  and good for side-on conditions too. I too suspect something was up with the test mast (too soft somehow). Disappointing test result for a killer sail. I usually tend to agree with most of Boardseeker's test findings. This one doesn't match my experience well at all.

Totally agree... Also regarding the feel of the sail from 2009 I have been sailing them every year since 2008 & it has been a really subtle evolution to a slightly more tuneable sail - the 2008 being the narrowest in range but mainly lacking a bit of low end.

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Yes and the test does not agree with the feedback from the OTC either: http://blog.hotsailsmaui.com/2011/10/on … t-otc.html

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Yeah, sounds very accurate much like the German test linked earlier as well. I would think the guys would want to get to the bottom of these bad test results as many put allot of stock in the Boardseeker tests....

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Although not the Fire's, I have 2006 4.7 and 5.5m SO's which I guess are the previous incarnation of the Fires which I guess will have been improved over time. I'm a little over 90 kg, and although not hugely powerful, there is enough grunt in the SO's for all but the lightest conditions. The top end as far as I'm concerned is immense, and they feel not only light in the hands even with six battens, but are also just so controllable on the wave. So, assuming the Fire's have developed and moved on from what I'm experiencing with the SO's, I also was totally surprised by the Boardseeker review. It certainly wouldn't put me off buying the Fire's, but I can see it might do that for other's which would be a shame. As most folk have said, ther must have been something weird going on with the mast or something. I use Amex or Prolimit RDMs and they seem to work fine. Tend to use quite a lot of downhaul, but not too much outhaul, and adjust on outhaul as wind picks up, but it's amazing how much you can hang on to before having to do that. Seems to work OK for the conditions we get here along the Aberdeenshire coast in Scotland!  smile Anyway, the test prompted me to join this forum as I was shocked how badly it came across compared to the other sails and was a bit flummoxed by that.

Last edited by Redmullet (2011-11-22 07:48:39)

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You are right about the S.O's  that is me on my 2007 S.O in my Avatar it was a great sail as well. The Fire has very similar feel just a bit crisper due to less Dacron & in the latest incarnations a bit more tuning range though I actually tended to rig mine for top end like the S.O ....

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Is it possible to get some response from Jeff or Tom on the forum about this test result?  There are a lot of guesses about what could have gone wrong, but if the Hot crew knows what happened, then it would be great information for all of us.

I have to say that I was thinking about getting new Fires to replace my SOs, but this test definitely concerns me.

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yippieyo wrote:

Is it possible to get some response from Jeff or Tom on the forum about this test result?  There are a lot of guesses about what could have gone wrong, but if the Hot crew knows what happened, then it would be great information for all of us.

I have to say that I was thinking about getting new Fires to replace my SOs, but this test definitely concerns me.

I agree - would be good to hear something. ..... I for one would not hesitate to replace the S.O's with Fire but I can see why the test result would put you off.......

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The testers obviously did not like the sails. Not sure why many of their comments are the extreme opposite of the whole concept of the Fire.
So I am at a loss as to why they got these results. I could rant and rave but I don't think a few guys in questionable conditions with questionable skills will get me upset.

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We do not think the test represents the Fire at all. But we have no control over what Boardseeker or anyone publishes in their tests. If you own and love a Fire do not worry we have not done anything to change the performance.

We can't fix the test so all we can do is move on.

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There are those on the Boards forum who believe that there is a lot of bias in the testing, I remember one thread where the unpublished tests were predicted and it was quite accurate. I have no idea whether any of it is true, like much of the stuff that gets argued over on Boards forum. Personally even if I was wearing a black face mask I would know where my loyalties lay if I was doing tests.

The OTC is/has developed a new system for punters to write their own opinions, these will have no or limited bias and I believe in the long run will be a very successful system for reviews.

I cant wait to try some of the Hot Sails wave and freeride kit and from what I have read about the feel I think it will really suit me and my riding style, but first my GPS's will get a thorough hammering ;-) They will be in my hands and hopefully on the water by Thursday afternoon if the forecast holds. :-D

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Thanks Jeff & Tom!

I really appreciate the response!

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I just had an epic 4 hour wave session in 25-45 knots of wind on my 4.2 fire at 200 pounds (90 kgs). Felt pretty darned rangy, responsive and stable to me! No need to even fine tune despite the gusty conditions. Love my Fires!

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can555 wrote:

I just had an epic 4 hour wave session in 25-45 knots of wind on my 4.2 fire at 200 pounds (90 kgs). Felt pretty darned rangy, responsive and stable to me! No need to even fine tune despite the gusty conditions. Love my Fires!

Ditto here! ..

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