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Topic: Hot Sails new Extensions ?

Understand from a while back that the new design extensions were comming out ....

any news ?

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Yes, news is that though they have been "in production" for months now, I am no longer promising a date for delivery. I will announce when they are in though!

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They do exist!

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Whoa, so, Jeff, what are we lookin' at here?

Alloy cups (interesting), alu shafts, what are the slots at the top?
What I see here doesn't look like Ti, so I presume that is not the case...and I assume they're available in Europin?

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These are the 100% recycleable Ocean Alloy" extensions. With a screwdriver you can disassemble and melt down to make another one! No plastic anywhere.
We offer this cast bottom part with Alloy shaft, Composite Shaft, Carbon Shaft and Titanium shaft. Us and Euro. This selection will likely shrink once I see which ones are most popular.

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Hi Jeff,

which material is used for the composite one ?

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Fiberglass and a little aramid.

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Hi,

How are the carbon and titanium extensions compared in weight? Which is the main reason to buy a titanium extension against a carbon one ocean alloy?

Thanks to clarify me this point.

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SWeeeeeeT  !!

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Jorge wrote:

Hi,

How are the carbon and titanium extensions compared in weight? Which is the main reason to buy a titanium extension against a carbon one ocean alloy?

Thanks to clarify me this point.

I will post exact weights shortly, but Titanium is the lightest. Titanium is "laser" etched so markings will NEVER fade away.
Carbon is STIFFER. Serious racers would probably want Carbon over Titanium when extended over 25cm.

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Hey Jeff,

all good news. When you´ll send Torben some Ti Extentions? I preordered a Pin and a us-cup version, both 40cm. I really need them tongue  ... sorry I bothering you, but I cant squezze any information out of Torben...

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Jeff,

Which one is the strongest? I now know of a few skinny extensions (the old design that had an SDM base) that have broken (one while I was using it, though it was my buddy's base) and I'm increasingly wary of that design. To my knowledge, the manufacturers all covered them under warranty. I also am changing over to Euro-Pin, and so have a few reasons to change out my bases.

I presume the Alu or Ti is strongest (highest breaking strength)? If we could know not only the weight but relative strength, that would be really helpful.

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takes seat in front of roaring fire, pours a nice single malt scotch, dog fetches slippers...
and the answer is

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Geoff wrote:

Which one is the strongest?

The answer depends on who you ask at HSM and if it is on or off the record. My conclusion, which is not based on real experience (yet), is like the proverbial question of whether the oak tree or the willow is "stronger". I know some sailors who do not sail hi carbon masts because they believe that a lower carbon mast can absorb more impact energy and is therefore less likely to break even though it is not as "strong".

I will probably go for the titanium, but apparently the new composite has even more energy absorbing capacity so may be even less likely to break even though it is not as "strong" as the titanium.

Another way that I am looking at my gear now is the more my gear "gives" the less load on my brittle body.

I think toooldtodance has the answer. Either that or just go sailing.

Aloha,

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I will not be answering which is strongest, but I will guide you which one will likely do what in each situation.

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toppa wrote:

Hey Jeff,

all good news. When you´ll send Torben some Ti Extentions? I preordered a Pin and a us-cup version, both 40cm. I really need them tongue  ... sorry I bothering you, but I cant squezze any information out of Torben...

How about availability for Germany?

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titanium :
is also twice as strong as aluminium but only 60% heavier. Titanium is not easily corroded by sea water, and thus is used in propeller shafts, rigging and other parts of boats .

for its weight carbon is very strong,  using a  cost basis factor the aluminum would be hard to beat, and be the first on the break with a Ti  one. If its short and weight saving a priority carbon, otherwise weight VS how deep are your pockets

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tooold

Well, the construction (i.e., wall thickness, composite layup patterns, etc.) is as much a factor as the materials intrinsic properties. So we still need more info from Jeff. Corrosion is the least of my particular concerns, since I mostly sail fresh water and see to it that my stuff dries out. The only corrosion-related failures I've had were boom heads, which I mistrust greatly. The continuous tube designs, like the Playmate, reduce the likelihood of this, though water does get up inside the tube (which is probably the worst thing since that doesn't dry out and the corrosion isn't visible).

Dolf

In this case, I was referring to breaking strength. If the alu, for instance, is more likely to bend but not break apart (fracture into two pieces), I might well be inclined for that in wave conditions since my venues for waves are in shallows where a fall in breaking waves can put the gear at risk (broke one mast that way, and one carbon extension....well, actually the carbon extension just broke when I was standing in the shallows and the remnants of a wave washed over the board). To me, the real questions here are about the merits of the Ti and the fiberglass/aramid composite, which are new. And I'm with you on the bending thing...

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I bought one titanium and one composite today and used the titanium. I bought one of each for no good reason other than to try them both.

The cons:
- no increase in board speed   wink 
- no improvement in my jibes or bottom turns   wink

The pros:
- lightweight, even the composite  smile
- robust construction, I'll have no anxieties taking them anywhere.  smile
- cleverly designed, like the iphone, intuitive and user freindly for rigging and easy tuning on the beach  smile
- with removable collar goes down to 0 (3.5 cm)   smile
What else can I say.

I have some mast ferule pieces so will be trying the mast extenders with this extension set at 0. I will report on that thread when I get results.

Aloha,

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Dolf wrote:

I bought one titanium and one composite today and used the titanium. I bought one of each for no good reason other than to try them both.

OOOH

Dolf wrote:

The cons:
- no increase in board speed   wink 
- no improvement in my jibes or bottom turns

Aw, well, forget it then!

Dolf wrote:

The pros:
- lightweight, even the composite  smile
- robust construction, I'll have no anxieties taking them anywhere.  smile
- cleverly designed, like the iphone, intuitive and user freindly for rigging and easy tuning on the beach  smile
- with removable collar goes down to 0 (3.5 cm)   smile

Hmm. Well, then, maybe. OK, yes!

Too bad HSM can't sell them with sail stickers like Intel does computers. You know "HSM Ti EXTENSION INSIDE", with the little arrow.... cool

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If i remember correctly the first pics Jeff posted a while back had the HOT logo on them and it added a lot of bling.

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Yup. they EXIST!!! 3 years in the making OMG.

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Jeffrey Henderson wrote:

Yup. they EXIST!!! 3 years in the making OMG.

I received the US Titanium 40,  It looks great with in its natural titanium gray, the etched measure marks and logos. I am sure I will gain a few of those precious 0.0002 m/sec^2 in acceleration (it does weight close to nothing, 445gr with rope, the tube must be 100gr, ).

But the main reason I bought titanium is safety and durability:  it will make me feel more confident in the extension with respect to anything else on the market!  big_smile  (well ... my streamlined feels sturdy but it also weights half a ton).

thank you Jeff for this Christmas gift!!!!!!  wink

Last edited by davide (2010-12-08 19:58:01)

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Enjoy!

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Any idea when they'll be available in the UK?

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