Re: 2010 extension

I have broke 2 carbon extensions on the holes 1x Chinook and 1 Tecnolimits and also 2 Chinook extensions the same way as Geoff.
The old hsm carbon extension: stopped counting how much broken ones if seen sad
Teknosport..pulled out the wheels and cleat and Fibersnap really earned there name roll
Due that i,m a bit afraid for the carbon ones in serious conditions/cold water.

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Myself and a friend broke 2 north xt carbon extensions with ease in quick succession where the tube narrowed at the base. It put me/us right off carbon extensions, the bolt holding the cleat and pulleys on my Streamlined extension sheared but was fairly easily mended a couple of Maui Magics have bent. I'm now on a Chinook and its all good so far. A HSM Titaniumin in Euro pin style does look super tempting, I want one! (I've found US style bases a nightmare to attach / detach with cold fingers)

I do wonder if there maybe additional electrolytic corrosion issues with an all alloy base and stainless fittings realtive to alloy, staibless, plastic?

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Geoff wrote:

Yeah. Mikey's a bum!

Sorry chaps what I meant to say was that the hole distance should be approximately 14285714285.714285714285714285714 times the atomic radii of titanium (empirical derivation of course with a value of approximately 140pm.

Less of the bum please its just so common although I may be a bit of an arse
wink

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Oh, you're right Mikey, that's SOOO obvious now.

Interesting about the broken ones....the spot where it starts from skinny to wide has always been my suspect for the weak link in skinnies.  In RDM bases I'm less sure. I have two or three Chinook bases that have notches around the tube, a metal ring clips into the notches and the aluminum collar slides down to lock in place. Chinook doesn't make them any more, because I was told they turned out not to be a good design. Odd, I've been using mine for well over 10 years, including back in the days when I used to blast around totally overpowered breaking masts and booms. Go figure. The thing I like the best about that design is that there's no holes for sand to get up inside the base and into the mast. So there's never any trouble pulling it out of the mast. Can't say that for bases that have holes in them. I'm sure mine will fail someday, I've probably cursed them now and will have to drown my sorrows with HSM Ti bases!!!
smile

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The cool thing with Jeff is that he spend LOTS of time testing the extensions in tough Maui conditions and let others do it too. Already over a year ago we had the ti version out in 1.5 mast and it went through some serious rinse cycles and probably have gone through many more since before production. ANd I think the Jeffs experience with variably quality on the old one is a driving force between the new carbon extnension too  - just look at that 3mm wall thickness tube.

My own best extension so far is a 45cm Liberty from 2001 which I still use a lot and a short first generation Kelapro which is a real work of art. But the new HSM carbon really has me intrigued.

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Hi Ola,

I waited forever for a Kelapro, but it was never available. It seems to me Jeff got everything that the Kelapro had plus something. I will be very interested to hear your assessment and comparison.

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The Kelapro in the end just to expensive to produce, they tell me. Think a PRODUCTION cost a bit above what the most expensive extensions cost at retail...

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Dolf wrote:

Hi Ola,

I waited forever for a Kelapro, but it was never available. It seems to me Jeff got everything that the Kelapro had plus something. I will be very interested to hear your assessment and comparison.

I will give you my thought once if I only get ahold of the Hot.... I leave for Maui next monday so with a bit of luck I will be able to get in line to get one after they arrive but before they sell out...

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Geoff wrote:

But the question remains - is the wide-to-skinny section the weakest part of a skinny extension? .

If we are to have a new skinny extension why not redesign the UJ cup / pin as well so there is no need for the tube to widen out if this is thought to be a waek point. Or has this already been do ?

This is a real question not arsing about today.

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This has been done with a Streamlined Euro pin alloy (http://www.streamlined.us/baseextensions.htm) but I don't know if any carbon ones exist.

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Ola, you thought the Liberty 45 was good? I think Jeff needs to hand over the testing to me then... wink The Liberty was good until the base looked like an egg... Yup, mine hasn't cracked even though the steel reinforcement inside the carbon tube has bent into an egg shaped form. btw, you can bring home one Ti for me too? wink

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Re: 2010 extension

Mikey wrote:
Geoff wrote:

But the question remains - is the wide-to-skinny section the weakest part of a skinny extension? .

If we are to have a new skinny extension why not redesign the UJ cup / pin as well so there is no need for the tube to widen out if this is thought to be a waek point. Or has this already been do ?

This is a real question not arsing about today.

I agree, good question. The streamlined looks nice, and this gives me a bona fide reason among my pals for having started the switchover to Europin bases.

Looks to me like the HSM skinnies are a straight tube

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Niclas wrote:

Ola, you thought the Liberty 45 was good? I think Jeff needs to hand over the testing to me then... wink The Liberty was good until the base looked like an egg... Yup, mine hasn't cracked even though the steel reinforcement inside the carbon tube has bent into an egg shaped form. btw, you can bring home one Ti for me too? wink

Mine is still round (or round:ish) but for sure it get egg shaped when you tension the downhaul so its a bit tricky to fit the cup. But in the big scheme of things, I'll rather take an extension that sometimes take the form of an egg than one that breaks like an egg. The main thing with the Liberty I have is that it has taken lots of abuse (big wave swimming at 40+ extension) and still holds up. I think it's just a really well made piece of tubing. A few extra layers of carbon around the bottom would take care of the egging, but I never got around to reinforce it (I did do that operation to an old alu nolimitz extension I have as a spare and it completely made the egging go away).

Contact med by email if you want me to bring home an extension.

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Geoff wrote:

Yeah. Mikey's a bum!

But you know, I notice that CALEB has fallen silent since I noted that HIS carbon extension busticated while I was walking in the shallows and a TINY wave rolled past me, the board wobbled in the surf and the base snapped in two at the junction of where it goes skinny to wide at the bottom of the extension. And that extension was almost new. Fortunately, it was my buddy's extension and not mine! On the good side, Chinook replaced it under warranty.

But the question remains - is the wide-to-skinny section the weakest part of a skinny extension? And if so, is it just the carbons? I really have never seen an extension (carbon or aluminum) that broke through the holes.

Not silent just don't work on Fridays ...

You are right it WAS one of the weakest points - assuming everything else is engineered properly. It is no longer a weak link in our carbon extensions. I'm surprised you did not warranty that one?

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calebchinookRD wrote:

Not silent just don't work on Fridays ...

You are right it WAS one of the weakest points - assuming everything else is engineered properly. It is no longer a weak link in our carbon extensions. I'm surprised you did not warranty that one?

It was in there, but you missed it...

The base was my buddies, actually a month or so out of warranty but with little use apparent upon inspection, he DID send it in asking for warranty coverage and Chinook DID honor his request.

Not as good as never breaking, but worthy of merit and keeping Chinook on the short list of parts worth having...

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I replaced my broken ones under warranty for Alu ones. They offered me new Carbons, but the aloy felt more safe to me. My oldest alu chinook is from 2003 and still going strong, like em a lot smile

Caleb, when do you bring out all the new stuff?

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Wow, this thread went nuts last week! Sorry I was a little unavailable.
A lot of good input. 2cm spread. I do not think the 2cm would be much weaker. I just like the every other spread of 5cm better.
316 stainless and Alu are not too bad. Also the only place they touch is where the axel treads into the cast part. The area on the outer edge is lined with Nylon shim so no electric touch is happening there. I will suggest rinsing in fresh water after using when possible.
The only reason the base is "wide" at the bottom is that it was designed for US cup first. Euro opin has come a LONG way in the last 5 years (mostly due to Chinook), but I simply do not trust it as much as the bulky US cup. I have swum after my board using Pin system way more than US cup and I probably have 100/1 days on the US system. That is not a comfortable ratio. I DO think the sand on Maui is particularly hard on Euro pin systems.

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Sounds very well thought out Jeff. I think a wide base is favourite regardless of system as it makes it way easier to downhaul using your foot. I attach my rig to the board before downhauling but I know a couple of people who really cursed the Streamlined Euro Pin because it is so narrow in the base that it either simply hurts your foot or very easily slips and heads for those tender nether regions!!

So far I have never had a pin failure but the sand is quite coarse and not so penetrating in these parts.  UJ failures and pin breaks in general seem to be incredibly rare anyway these days at least in my neck of the planet.

So the big question is when can I order one of either type?

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Hi christo,

"attach my rig to the board before downhauling" never seen this..

greetings uwe

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uwe wrote:

"attach my rig to the board before downhauling" never seen this..

Ah well it makes sense to me and where I sail. I have to carry my kit some distance (mostly down a slippery cliff path) from my van and rig on the beach so I carry board with extension attached under one arm and the rest tide together in the other hand.

I slot the mast onto the extension and then the sail onto the mast and by having the connection of mast to board already I find it way easier to slip the sail on and also avoid accidently filling the bottom of my mast with sand if i get caught by a gust as I rig. Then one foot on the mast base and downhaul without fear of accidently shooting the mast into yourself.

Wouldn't do this on a rocky beach mind, it might be a bit hard on the board...

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I work at the rentals at HiTech in Maui and we use those Streamlined alu extensions Christo linked. They are holding up quite well. Sand does get inside, once in a while you need to shake it off.
Way too heavy for my taste, though.

I also have a Liberty extension which I don't use very often, but so far so good. My favorite extension is an old "unreliable wall thickness" HSM carbon that broke on a high setting. I cut it down and now I use it at 15cm for my 4.7. Even though I know one day it will break (what doesn't?), I've been using it for years now and I love the weight (or lack of there of) of it.
It gives me a special pleasure to know that I'm the one with the lightest extension in Maui...

Re: 2010 extension

Jeffrey,

Any news on those extension? Price maybe?
Could we preorder?
thank you,

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I weighted some. HSM Carbon cup 30cm - 350g. Chinook carbon cup 38cm - 470g. Chinook bases cup/pin both 380g. Quick release system cup 470g. Chinook alu 38cm cup/pin 600/690g. So US CUP is at least 100g lighter.

..::we need HOT::..

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Hi,

weight my windsurfing hawaii carbon extension 48 cm 467g with rope .

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Been having a bit of a challenge with the finish of the base, otherwise it would have been released weeks ago.
Wonder what you guys think about the "sex appeal" of the part. That shiny finish in the photos may not be possible for long term use....

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