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If children are told the right values during their upbringing, they wouldn’t behave like that, when they grow up.
If they’re told to believe in the invisible man, it’s about the following, IMO:
If you are told what not to do all the time, it’s likely that you do what you are meant not to do, one day. That’s what psychologist found out and as these men above of many religions are meant to be soooo wise, they should know about it. So these guys are a) not that wise , b)  not good at psychology, what they necessarily should be as kind of world managers, c) ignorant or having otherwise a disturbed relationship referring human's psychological behaviour, d) control-freaks, a doubtful attitude for guys in their position, too e) women or aliens experimenting to prove that males are unable to rule decently, a rather cruel experiment and thus the most belike f) not existent, human just lacks of the ability of thinking in some furthermore demensions to explain the Univers.

Little example from Christianity: If this “god” would have told Adam and Eve that the apple tree was a poisoned one and that there‘s maybe a evil silly bastard snake around trying to tempt them, Adam and Eve would had a valuable lesson about the meaning of temptation and evil and converted the snake or kicked it to where it came the heck from.

So what makes people behave like Ponobill mentioned in case it’s not based on religious belief ?
IMO it’s crappy politic systems not giving equal possibilities of decent upbringing throughout the classes within a society,b mostly in addition of not giving this to former generations in that class neither, bad school and before-school education and living within a society of questionable values.
The mentioned causes psychological problems to the individuals and is pushed in a still underestimating way by nourishment habits. Bad food has a major influence on human behaviour, we know that it affects performance of your body, but don’t know too much about psychological effect of nourishment. Or we are not meant to know much about it.
The worst food ate and eat Europeans and Americans and when their fleets went to discover new place across the seas they made it a rule to conquer and slaughter, while in healthier nourished Asia, China for example, had much earlier a big fleet to discover new territory with the interest of finding new trade partners. They charged some respect-the-fleet-money, but didn’t behave like the Europe conquerors, whose way of thinking was, by eating not too precious food for body and soul, "simply poisoned. And the Chinese had a religion of less do not’s, too, I think. Let's ask Dolf, he's buddist!
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The following link http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … ;plindex=0
possibly gives some more interesting answers why European’s ostensibly god-given “conquer politic” was that bloody. The orders for what to do when conquering new land came from some ruling families, whose intelligent individuals married within the family, what resulted in descendants with even higher IQ’s, but total cold feelings towards the people they were ruling. Till today! Scary are the amounts of facts and how very well the report gives a lot of answers to the question why the world is and was such a mess.
The issues and facts within that report have to be covered up more officially, the suspicion that religions were invented by a ruling avant-garde has to be investigated, if 1/3 of us is meant to live in a free modern world ! This is as important as the challenge of a changing climate and co-related, of course. It's not even about blame, it's about the truth in history writing and scientists nowadays can proove a lot, more interest in scientific investigation towards mankinds younger history, less flying to mars, PLEASE!!!

Actually, the way the big bang works, nothing Galaxy sized is around when it happens--it's a singularity and then a very high temperature expansion--too high for particles to exist. As it expands it cools and the particles coalesce. Matter, gas clouds that can condense into stars, etc. comes quite a bit later. A big bang doesn't really require an initiating condition, and if it had one we couldn't know about it: Our version of physics and information didn't exist before the bang, so there's nothing for us to know past it.

You don't need God to light the fuse--without the limits of time and space as we know it, anything can and will happen just as a random circumstance. Even inside our limited universe we can theorize some very whacky stuff given a long enough expanse of time. And we know that matter does spontaneously create--particles and antiparticles are created frequently out of vacuum, but they annihilate each other. Current theory says some of the energy streaming from a black hole ("the hair") is the high temperature particles coming from spontaneous creation where one particle is on one side of the event horizon (point of no escape) and the other is on the "safe" side.

I don't have any problem with looking back--I'm a real history buff. But it's all a little pointless if we're not looking forward. All history, even conspiracy theories and alternative flavors, are written by people with agendas. Believe what you want, but remember that it's "belief" not "knowledge".

But God works just as well. And is equally unknowable and unprovable. Any flavor works--choose your favorite. Just don't hate someone else because they "believe" you're wrong. .

That is a interesting point Surfrocker... is it purely a fruit of your thinking or did you find some studies about it?

PS. The South Park section of the video you linked is great!

The story begins at Michigan State University with a mechanical engineering professor named Indrek Wichman. Wichman sent an e-mail to the Muslim Student's Association. The e-mail was in response to the students' protest of the Danish cartoons that portrayed the Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist. The group had complained the cartoons were 'hate speech.' Enter Professor Wichman. In his e-mail, he said the following: Dear Moslem Association, As a professor of Mechanical Engineering here at MSU I intend to protest your protest. I am offended not by cartoons, but by more mundane things like beheadings of civilians, cowardly attacks on public buildings, suicide murders, murders of Catholic priests (the latest in Turkey), burnings of Christian churches, the continued persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt, the imposition of Sharia law on non-Muslims, the rapes of Scandinavian girls and women (called 'whores' in your culture), the murder of film directors in Holland, and the rioting and looting in Paris France. This is what offends me, a soft-spoken person and academic, and many, many of my colleagues. I counsel you dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, and uncivilized slave-trading Moslems to be very aware of this as you proceed with your infantile 'protests.' If you do not like the values of the West (see the 1st Amendment) you are free to leave. I hope for God's sake that most of you choose that option. Please return to your ancestral homelands and build them up yourselves instead of troubling Americans. Cordially, I. S. Wichman, Professor of Mechanical Engineering
As you can imagine, the Muslim group at the university didn't like this too well. They're demanding that Wichman be reprimanded and the university impose mandatory diversity training for faculty and mandate a seminar on hate and discrimination for all freshmen. Now the local chapter of CAIR (Council on American Islamic Relations) apparently doesn't believe that the good professor had the right to express his opinion. For its part, the University is standing its ground in support of Professor Wichman, saying the e-mail was private, and they don't intend to publicly condemn his remarks.

Good post. Could you clarify what you meant by the statements above?
I agree that the students wouldn't like the Prof's attitude which they percieve as anti-Muslim instead of anti-Muslim terrorist. I don't like being called a murdering scum as an American because of what Bush's regime does either. Your Christian analogy is pretty good. I've shared a similar view for years. Thanks also for realizing that these were not views or ideas I agreed with totally as much as interesting stuff to ponder that is happening these days. The same is true for my Mexican post.

Surfrocker, very sorry if your life has disharmony now and I wish you a better time real soon....

I made an error in deleting those first two posts. To those who came in after, they were about the Mexican issues in California. 96% Hispanic gangs (is that what it said?) is wrong of course. Black and Asian gangs are very strong also. It also wasn't a major issue with me, but probably would be if I still lived in California. I will say that though I don't know if Amero money and a North American Union (Mex/Canada/U.S.) are really coming (as some proclaim) I do have difficulty with someone, a non-citizen, who never lived here before or worked most of the last 40 years as I have, getting health care and other benefits I am denied. Here on Maui when someone like me gets beaten out for a job by someone paid under-the-table, it saves money for the employer and they may prefer this to paying me a more realistic wage and having to pay insurance and unemployment, etc. I pay income taxes (not just sales tax that everyone shares) and should benefit from being legal. The employers cheating this way would be the kind of thing that the unions prevented and was a basis for much of the growth of our country. Granted the war-mongers and unions are now too corrupt, but the original plan saved many from food lines and allowed them to support their families. Oh so long ago.

I agree that there were many sides to that Muslim complaint and the professor. Muslims that aren't terrorists don't want their religious symbols ridiculed any more than anyone else, but I am not offended when someone knocks Bush (and his kind) my synagogue or my children's church. I agree with them. Mostly organized religions are full of shit. [You tell me to send my money to The Lord but you give me your address!] Muslims must be aware that what the terrorists are doing is defended under the cloak of The Koran.

Yep, the Americans are not motivated anymore by the original ideas and desires. Most seem to have lost touch. Racism, selfishness and arrogance are rampant. A boycott or two would help start it in the right direction but most of the the kids today won't even protest our immoral war. On my skateboard forum they routinely insult anyone older. They insult anyone that mentions politics. That attitude is a mess. The situation is a mess. I wish the ones that left us here (not of this planet) would return and make it right.

I already know that they don't honor The Geneva Convention and even recently in the news were defended the approved by congress right to use water torture.

Parabuteo, si insista en el, con mucho gusto, tio:

This illusion of a government treats so-supposed opponents like Christianity's rulers did some 500 years ago. Except they were scientists starting being able to prove that Church’s  knowledge about the planet and the universe wasn’t true, opponents were chosen haphazardly, maybe just like today (maybe ?!). Back to the crusades, scary enough at the same ancient places of religious wars (Iraq = Bible’s Babylon) ?!
If these holy bible believers would have shared their scientific knowledge, instead of oppressing the development of it, they wouldn’t have been able to come up with their dominating political system  only called Democracy and in a them more benefiting version of it, established in the USA, ignore human and natures rights.
“Democratising (= actually bringing civil war)” countries, beginning to hang, the self-established ruler who was in the meantime propaganded to be not true to the “game”,  in the first step is just criminal. Electric chair and Democracy does not mix neither.
Though not being expert about it, I think Iraq’s political and economical development has been strongly manipulated by these illusionists and the spread of their questionable values for at least 30 years and maybe much, much longer. And the situation is likely to be just like they want it, unstable and thus easy to shape.

MB, thanks for the wishes, I DO HOPE SO, TOO.

Some additional thoughts to yours…I think to remember your post spoke about 96 % Asian and Hispanic gang members which still seems to be too high, could be far from being true, a doubtful “source” maybe ? Could imagine it’s psychological and physiological healthier for you not to live in California…a true democracy that serves the interest of the people should generate such a humongous crime rate. Just proves that things are totally going the wrong way there.
I don’t like too much that you have a problem with the newly better social care of Hispanic immigrants, it is not fair, that’s out of a question, but it sounds close to blaming the immigrants for the new situation. These people suffer from the fact that in their home countries, out of whatever reasons (!), no decent economy bringing wealth to the people could be established. It’s obvious that the new laws concerning social benefits, unfair taxation and missing control of that, generate a lot of jealously and disdain among the people…instability, again…

Com’on, you’re not really going to the synagogue, your opinion about organizes religions does not fit to domination over your dick, who is seen as a bad designed of nature. True, full of shit and bloody arrogant this religion as well. If you think organized religion is like that, ask yourself why it was organized.

That the Koran justifies terror I’ve been hearing over and over, reason enough to doubt it and if you didn’t read the Koran how can you know ? I never read the bible fully, so I couldn’t say if the Bible justifies what is called terror nowadays as well. But imagine it does.
By the way, the term of terrorism didn’t exist when they came up with the Koran, it was first mentioned in time of the French revolution. Therefore in times when most monarchs had to relinquish lots of their privileges, which were exploiting the masses. I don’t believe they liked giving them up and that their descendants miss their ancestors way of “treating” people. And one of these descendants is our all “darling” G.W. Flush, who luckily forms an exception to the rule that incest of humans with high IQ results in very intelligent humans, but proves that they do not have a conscious in the common sense. So his “clumbsy ways” made people aware of the current crimes of the US government and past crimes of them.
90 % of us believes that the 9/11 happenings are full of fraud, that’s cool as this will make it impossible for some asses to re-establish their ancient environment disrespecting views !!!

As for what you mentioned referring the kids living in the US: TV, videogames, cinema, testimonial, education…that’s how the interests of the government and all their paraphernalia accomplishes a ignorant and selfish population. If the kid’s parents are not critic enough towards the mentioned through giving them a decent upbringing, they might be denounced by their own children for hidden smoking a cigarettes in the back yard on day. Reminds me on Germanys  12 “black years” in history. This situation is even more than a mess as it decreases the 90%.
As a teenager it’s kind of a duty to form your own view of the world, giving a fuck about what they had come up with, I was the same, but the hell I would have respected a 60 year old still doing surfing and skating. Chapeau, MB!

Please let me know about your skateboard forum AND your “somebody left us here” stuff, hopefully it’s more convincing than conspiracy theories…   

There’s some more to find than water boarding if you google watertorture…Un-fucking-believable! Back to the dark/middle ages, or what ?! How can it be o.k. for you, Parabuteo-tio ???
Not too surprising that the US didn’t sign in 1977…

P.S. The only thing having the right to water board…WAVES!!! Does not mean to though out opponents in Tsunami conditions, of course! Earthquakes, by the way, can be caused on purpose, knowledge and technical equipment on that exists since about 100 years…   

P.P.S. Just heard torturing children even sexually in front of their parents is newly an option, too ! Unbe-fucking-lievable!!! Fuck the US government, stop buying stuff produced in the US, full transparency on where my money goes that I spend on goods!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7qKD-Ph7ds ;-)))))

Why not trying to tell or convince “strong believers” that they might be wrong ? They are welcome to do the same to me, discussion and free exchange of opinion, s’il vous plait!
A mate of mine took part in an student exchange programme in the times of the first Iraq war and told me that most US citizens believed that their God wants them to free the Kuwaitis. I don’t think that this attitude changed at least among the “strong believers”, thus current wars are in one way justified by organized religion as well. And a lot of past war’s were definitively, too. I do accept people believing in their Jesus Christ, but my opinion that organized religion is one reason of global chaos has to be accepted by them, too. Then we start to prove what can be proved referring global chaos and if this doesn’t convince “strong believers” that’s fine with me. But if I accept their believes, they have to accept mine as well. And a lot of “strong followers” won’t, that’s where propaganda and religion lead them…to intolerance.

If some few individuals and “money/ power” bastards within the actual and past US governments were and are over throwing governments worldwide to exploit people and resources and to spread their ways of “Democracy”, these guys create the problems that makes immigrants, legal or illegal, coming to the US. So if the mentioned is true (likely), the people suffering under US interests politics deserve reparation, not of your tax money, MB, but of the profits the few individuals made, of course.

(6) “torture is torture”…sure, but legalisation of it’s diversification isn’t proving tolerance and democratic values neither. “boycott the US”…well, HSM maybe not, but dedicated fans of the flush administration and boycotting what you wisely mentioned wherever it is possible…way to go, man. That’s gonna fuck them for sure. The US rapper L.L. Cool Jay, stated some years ago in an article on the net, that flush is a good guy as he knows “to bring himself in”. I didn’t buy his records anymore since then…

(4) “When you refer to Germany's dark years I thought of the following quote. Many Americans (and I believe others too) would think this is exactly what is being done with September 11 and the U.S. public.” Great, if so, more war catalysing events can’t be sold to the public anymore, way to go!

As for (5), I thought boarding people are people being extraordinary conscious when it comes to freedom and freedom nowadays necessarily involves politics. Hopefully that attitude is not representing world boarders attitude, Cammars blog proves it doesn’t, but it contradicts with what you mentioned in (4). Propaganda can only be realized if people don’t have even a slight interest in dealing critically with politics.

Big respect for the young guns, the last cruise on a short board, way to go!

Parabuteo, true, a lot of what you mentioned was invented in the US, but is in the meanwhile produced in other counties as well. So why buying it from a country which’s  system is likely to be corrupted and criminal, huh ?! And if I hear that 90 % of the US citizens has doubt about the official story on 9/11 which’s truth is crucial on the truth of a whole lots of other “official” stories concerning the US history, it’s just ridiculous that these 90 % still support this system.
Consumers totally forgot about their powers, not only in the USA, result of manipulating marketing.
To go fishing, peeing… at the beach I don’t need US products and be sure if people would boycott what I do boycott, Flush and his fuckin’ mates would have bloody problems running their ass of a system.
Bill Gates…yep, I’m looking forward to switch to Linux. Microsofts new Vista I heard should be better called “MS 1984”. A single switch on the motherboard erases all content that could be considered as illegal with rather individual interpretation of that. It has for sure some more 1984 style features we don’t know of, as the system will work much slower, without offering more comfort to the user.

To me it seems, that US citizens do have problems dealing with the “rumor” that they are and were governed by people with criminal interests lacking any conscious. And this affects and annoys the rest of world, so they better start doing something against that misery!     

I’m out here, too.

Last edited by surfrocker (2008-02-18 05:09:28)