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Check this out: http://mauisurfreport.blogspot.com/2007 … video.html

That thing is unreal and I might ask him to shape me a bigger one for lighter winds... hoping that it will still be that loose...

Jeff said it probably won't... what do you guys think?

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cammar wrote:

Check this out: http://mauisurfreport.blogspot.com/2007 … video.html

That thing is unreal and I might ask him to shape me a bigger one for lighter winds... hoping that it will still be that loose...

Jeff said it probably won't... what do you guys think?

I think it will be looser than what we usually sail. We also can ask BC if his smaller fish handles looser than the larger one you tried. He promised me a ride on this board too, and it will be a whole foot shorter than anything I have ever sailed before.

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Did the board plane up fast or did you have enough wind that it wasn't really an issue?  I was always under the impression that if a board was too short, that it would "plow" through the water making it harder to plane up.

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Doesn't it look like the blue styrofoam(or something) one Jeff used to sail a while ago?

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Brian,
pretty much everything in the regular sailing part was somehow worse than a "regular" board. But in wave sailing the fun is not in the planing when sailing back upwind... the fun is riding the wave and in that the boards was unreal. Wouldn't use it for wave bigger than head high, though... because I'm not Kauli!

Niclas, it does.  That one was even smaller: less than six feet I think...

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Just received a few comments on the blog. Thought about copying my replies here.

Anon,
Brian shaped the yellow fish out of a scrap polystirene blank he found in dumpster at the Pawela cannery...
He didn't put any sandwich, so the board was extremely cheap for him... but at the same time also extremely fragile.
One of the footstraps plugs came off during my test and when I brought it back to him he was supercool:"oh, that's easy to fix... I'm surprised that board is still one piece! I've been trying backloops like crazy!!"

I need to become a shaper. It's imperative!

Lano,
what happened to your beer?

Josh,
goddamit... one of the reasons I used a 5.0 was to be able to film it from the mast top (5.0 is the smallest sail the modified mast top fits).
Unfortunately, the mount became loose during the session and I only got some shitty footage with the board is the upper right corner... I was tempted to edit it anyway, but you can't really appreciate those turns...
I'll have to wait for Brian to fix it...
In the meantime, I'm testing his previous prototype (#2), that sails better, but doesn't quite bottom and top turn as good.
I tried it with a 4.7 and same fins and it didn't spin out.

But here's what's interesting:
after a while the wind got lighter and I was slogging too much.
I decided to end the test and switch to my 7.10 custom SOS (that I have been recently loving for light wind).
It was horrible. Yes, I could plane and everything else, but once on the wave it felt like a barge... couldn't quite turn it... a 7.10!!!
So, I guess I'm not done testing... stay tuned.

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No more beers for me.....

I am training for a fun run next month (12kms), so need to stay away from it!

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Lil video with the board (and the camera out of place): http://mauisurfreport.blogspot.com/2007 … video.html

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Wow, it really turns on a dime! The softness of the board or the rocker curve or both?

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It feels like it's the shortness and the relative little volume.

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Speaking of which (I might've missed it) what's the est. volume? (btw, you hear I'm really curious huh! smile The reason being I need every little help I can to get good at waveriding our 1.5-3m mushy waves)

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Estimate volume is... very little.
It feels less than my 68l quatro, but maybe not that much less. It's a board that needs wind for 4.5/4.7. Brian told me he sailed it a lot of times with these sails and the spin out factor was marginal. So I believe it was because of the 5.0 I was using.

The best thing you can do to get better at waveriding (other than go waveride every time it's windy) is to go surf when there's wave and it's not windy.
That's my 2 cents. Any other tip?

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I really like the idea of the board, but a lot of spots around here have a strong current.
On spots like thast you need to get planing as quick as posible to stay and get upwind.

Tips to become a better waverider...buy a EASY board that has a volume that,s the same or 10l over your weight.
Easy sailing boards that keep planing like a Evo80 and the old Mistral Naish 8.6+Floater have been really performance boosters for me.
And be in the waves as much as you can.

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Actually the board did get on the plane relatively early (provided that there was enough wind).
The top speed, of course, wasn't super. Two fins create more drag than one.

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Do you think/feel the drag is from the twinfin/or the tail??
I sailed some twinzers in the past and they looked pretty fast.

Off topic (as usually on the Hot forums wink ) do you see a lot of twinzers and 3fins in Hawaii and any experiences with it??
Right now i,m out of bucks, but i,m really thinking about buying a tri-fin board as lightwind waver (95l) in the near future (read, when i got some cash again big_smile ).
Waves in Holland are mostly wind dependent so light wind, means little waves and not to powerfull either.
A more slashy short turning board would be great. Somehow i got the feel shorter fins would help to loosen up the stuff a bit and you can,t get much shorter as with a trifin.
Any ideas or comments on that.
Bouke Becker for example raves about his own trifin Witchcraftboards as every shaper does about his own boards roll , but its hard to scrap the bullshit from the "facts" gbecause over here there are no other trifins on the water.

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Hi Jeroen,
I think it's the twin fin. One of these days that the wind is enough for Mr. Happy's 12.2 to kind of plane, borrow it and try it for half hour with three fins. Than take the side fins off and see the difference.

Here in Maui, mostly thanks to Kauli exploits, we're starting to see more and more twinsers and three fins. I personally haven't tried any of these new ones. I lately tried a very old one (ex Josh Angulo's), but it really sucked. Not going to blame the twin fins, the shape was just really bad.

I'm not a shaper, but I did talk to a few of them. There's soooo many variables that influence the ability of a board to turn.
For my personal experience, these are the most important ones:
- lenght
- rocker
- rail outline
- volume distribution
- fins
- bottom contour
and I could go on forever...
My point is that yes, three small fins could make a board looser than one big one, but they won't help if the overall shape is not a good one (like the old one I tried).

Sooner or later I'll borrow a demo Quatro twinser, but I'll have to wait for some waves to show up. I'll let you guys know through my blog.

Hope this helps.

PS. Brian is going to measure the top speed of his fish if they do the speed challenge this weekend... That'll be interesting...

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Someone posted me a link to this forum post in a discussion on my own workings on some "unusual" boards. Basically, I'm thinking that there are some "givens" in windsurf boards that makes us get stuck when it comes to developing what is possible to do on a wave. I have been thinking  a lot on how to design boards that allows windsurfers to get into places on the wave that are normally reserved only for surfers. Windsurfing tends to be oriented towards  hitting sections coming towards you rather than surging in the pocket. And top turns are often sort of straight legged, pushing against the sail, rather than rail driven. Many such things has pushed me towards re-thinking the wavesailing board and now I think, I'm finally starting to get somewhere.

The board in the pics below is 75 liters, 210*57cm. It handles light onshore 5.3 sailing as well as powered up 3.5.  It is designed answer well to fin tuning and can be run as a twin, a "traditional" quad  (big rear fins and small front fins) a "surf style" quad (bigger front fins) as well as a tri fin in various configs. Each fin setup trims the feel and performance of the board quite significantly. I'm still in the testing phase, but so far, it's an amazingly promising shape.

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5.3 cross on and small waves (by Pontus Ny)
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4.0 cross on , but more decent waves  (courtesy of www.kulingvarning.nu)
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A sequence from Robert Koste. Sideshore, 3.5 sqm.
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Along the way, I've been testing a huge amount of fin setups as well as some modifications to the shape. I think I'm getting closer to something really interesting also for other people than myself. I'm currently  building a bigger version that some friends will try out too. It'll be interesting to see how they will like the concept.

PS. Sorry for being on the wrong sail for this forum, but I reckon the board shape discussion is still relevant... ALoha. DS

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well I for one remember where you came from Ola

HSM

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know it all from the seebreeze forum but thanks too

Ola...

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Great topic, nice to read what people thought of twins en tris few years ago.
Ola's board reminds me a lot of a board from long before the quads, evil twins and even Evo: the starboard fish from... tadaa..... 2002!
http://2002.star-board.com/products/fishdetail.asp
Was this a succes then, way ahead of is time, are the newest boards now a lot different from this oldie?

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Yeah, I know the Starboard Fish well. The outline is quite similar but mine is a whopping 20cms shorter and I would say a completely different board. In fact, another Starboard was in some sort of conceptual sense more inspirational: The Starboard Play from 2001 or so. But there are many concepts that come together in my board. Slowly but surely going shorter and shorter over many years. Working on my rockers to fit tri and quad setups better. Working on my shapes as such to decrease drag (while still not take away much of the overall rocker curve). Working on boards that react more to body position changes. Working on my shapes to be more tunable via fin setup changes etc. In the Fish a lot of these things come together.

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Ola, you're ok for this time - you have a few HSM credits left wink. Maybe you can crop those Swedish sails though... wink

I guess you've had a peek here too? http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewt … 327#p60327

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Hi Ola,

cool to hear from you here again ...do you have any more info about the "black box" board which
dany bruch is using from starboard....ok this is  OT

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Not much. From what I heard it's a tad longer and wider and seems to be more of a specialist lightwind tool.

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Hm, What about this one?! roll  http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v … =endscreen

Flikka boards - http://www.flikkaboards.com/

Regards,

Robert

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