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Topic: Kona 10'5"

Anyone have a chance to try out the Kona 10'5" ?

It looks like a good Great Lakes (light wind, mushy short period waves) board.

And perfect for a Super Freak  smile

Drew

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I've seen Patrice B. sailing it in France/Brittany, 2/3 m waves....
damm i need that board. Perfect in low wind conditions. It turns much shorter than sailing longboards i've seen. Due to the straps you can also ride it more to the edge...(it's forbidden to jump with the board (warranty thing)..But i saw Patrice making nice floaters and airs on the lip)

here some pics--** on the left -news- section
http://www.aerotechsails.com/

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Awesome photos! Hats off...

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Do anyone know if these boards can be paddled? 

Thx!

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If you've got good balance don't weigh too much it should be fine for paddling. I wouldn't recommend it for first timers.

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Thomas - 

Have you done any flatwater sailing with your 10'5"?  Does it work well with your sf7.0?  Or is that too much sail for the fin?

I'm thinking a 10'5" and a sf-ul 7.0 might be a fun inland lakes combo (when I can't get to the waves)

Drew

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I guess 200lbs may be tricky balancing on these boards paddling but they look like alot of fun for small surf sailing. 

Would I be better off w/ something else if I want to paddle more than sailing?

thx!

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Probably. But then I haven't seen 200 pounds in 10 years. I'm 250, and I have three boards that I wavesail. the Ku Nalu 12' 2" X 27", the Jimmy Lewis 11' 7" X 26 and the Starboard 12'6" X30.

Of these three, the starboard is by far the easiest to paddle. He Ku Nalu is a great board to paddle once you learn how, but it's not easy. The Jimmy Lewis is very difficult for me to paddle. All you can see of the board when I'm standing on it is the nose and tail.

Of these three, the JL is the best to wavesail, the Ku Nalu is a close second, and the Starboard is pretty good. I find it pretty hard to get the starboard to turn quickly in a wave, while the JL is like a really big longboard.

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Dumpstatic:
Yes, I´ve done some flatwater sailing with my 7.0 SF. It works really good! I did use a more vertical 29 cm fin (a so-called freewave design).

Slambo: If paddle is your main activity, go big! I can definetely recommend the 220 liter Inspiro 12 footer which also has a mast-track. No daggerboard though.

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I'm also considering the 10'5" for beach break light wind wavesailing - I'm 70kg and the options seem to be; big waveboard like Evo 90, SUP like the 9'8" Starboard or dedicated sail board like the 10'5". I'm guessing that the narrower Kona would be much more fun to wave sail than the 30" wide 9'8" Starboard, particularly at my weight (please correct me if this doesn't make sense). The other thing is that I'm sure my light (<50kg) teenage kids could SUP the 10'5" Kona with no problem.
I've sailed Evo 90 in about 10knots at a point break in Western Australia and absolutely loved it but my home beach break is much harder to get through, I'm guessing the glide and longer waterline of a longer board would make it easier.
The real question for me is how much light wind wave riding is compromised comparing a large wave board to the bigger guys.
Any advice comment most welcome - thanks.

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Jonathan,
first, I'm sure your kids can SUP the Kona, but how about you? Do you have another bigger SUP board and don't care if you can't SUP on this new board you're looking for?
IMO, being able to do both sailing and SUP surfing on the same board is quite an important factor. Imagine: you're at the beach, you brought only the Kona 'cause there was some wind, but the wind dies and you can't SUP surf...

On the other hand, a board that you can SUP too will NOT be as good for sailing as if it was a sailing only board. I finally came to the conclusion that a board CAN'T be the best for SUP AND sailing. 'Cause the extra floatation and stability needed when SUPing will be unnecessary when sailing (when the board is moving all the time and the sail helps the balance).
Still, I believe that it is possible to have a really good compromise between the two disciplines in one board.

The 30" of the 9'8" starboard could give you that extra stability you need to handle your difficult beach break. I never tried it, but what I'm saying is: don't assume anything (unless you're a shaper with years of experience)... got to try it!

At your weight, you should take into consideration also the Naish 10.6. http://www.naishsurfing.com/en/products/stand-up.html
Lately I spent a couple of days SUP surfing and sailing on a prototype they used to shape the production one. I really enjoyed it for both activities. Unfortunately, I have no idea of how much they changed into the production one. (Forget about the 11.6, way too thick.)

It's really hard to compare light wind wave riding on a large wave windsurf board to the same thing done with an SUP board, because they are completely different animals.
Different feels, I like them both. If the wind is really light, a sailing SUP will make your life at your beach break a lot easier. But when the wind increases there will be one point (or one knot) when it may be more fun to have a snappier, strapped fat windsurf board under your feet.

It also depends on the waves. Today I sailed (alone!) at Lanes for two hours in sub-planing conditions in head to overhead waves. I was on a 85l wave windsurf board and I have no doubt it was the right choice. It was windy enough to be confortable tacking and water starting (often with the light wind technique) and the waves were steep. At kanaha, maybe I would have chosen an SUP, so that I could catch more waves... maybe. Sometimes it also depends on my mood. If I feel like sailing aggressive, I go for the fat windsurf board...
What I'm trying to say here is that, if possible, having both kind of boards (and a van or big racks) would be the best.

Ops, sorry for the so many words, but this is the field that I am most passionate about: the perfect board for light wind wave sailing. I don't know if it's out there, but it's slowly starting to materialize in my mind...
One last very personal preference I just developed: between thickness and width I sure prefere width!

Say hi to the kids!

Last edited by cammar (2008-01-25 23:20:30)

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Hi Giampaolo,

Thanks for the great reply - of course now that you point it out it is clear that longboard and even big shortboard are quite different things. I have a 12'6" Starboard SUP which is fantastic to paddle and sail in smaller waves but gets to be a handful in light on-shore wind beach-break (quickly turns into gear-break for me!). I suppose I was trying to get something that would work as a light wind wave board and SUP for the kids so I have them paddle with me.

There is something so special about light wind wavesailing, the few times I've actually managed to get it together are etched into my memory right up there with a couple of perfect powder runs and those "special" intimate memories. The great thing about these memorable experiences is that not only do you want more of them but they get better with time!

I think wide big waveboard is the way to go. My past experience with trying to get one board to do too many things tells me to keep it simple.

Cheers

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Jonathan wrote:

There is something so special about light wind wavesailing, the few times I've actually managed to get it together are etched into my memory right up there with a couple of perfect powder runs and those "special" intimate memories. The great thing about these memorable experiences is that not only do you want more of them but they get better with time!

Eheh... my smile got steadily bigger when reading that...
In my case, I had so many of those that it's hard to keep them all in my memory... That's why I cherish the photo I have in my avatar... one look and the feeling of all those smooth rides gets back in me...

I'm weird, but I'd ALWAYS take light wave sailing over strong wind wave sailing...

Again, both choices (short SUP or fat shortboard) have pros and cons. Let me know what you picked and how it worked.
PS. I'm a little sorry that your kids won't be able to paddle out with you if you buy a shortboard... sad

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Wooo!!!

Today I had my first wave session on the Kona 10'5. Can't belive what I have just experienced...
Still smiling! Conditions was windswell and enough wind for a 4.7.
Very wierd to choose the 10'5 over my 76 liter waveboard but I just had to try it.
This board is so amazing that it's hard to describe! The fact that it was actually comfortable and fun to plane in the straps is shocking smile Anyway I caught waves of many shapes and sizes and qualities and they we're all a blast. The best thing is that this board keeps gliding when shortboards starts to slow down on the wave. Plus it's super fun to step in and out of the straps in order to manouvre the board.

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Good discussion...
I also have had a long and passionate affair with light air wavesailing...and have done a lot of thinking and testing and developing of the ultimate light air waveriding machine...
I also want this board to be able to standup paddle surf...and think that it is possible to blend design elements from the two disciplines...without much compromising...if at all...

If it's windy enough for straps, that means planable conditions...this is when I'll grab my Exocet Cross 118...the latest in a line of 115+ liter lightair "Freewave" boards that I have ridden over the last 10 years...

http://www.surfingsports.com/cali_dream … amin36.jpg
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http://www.surfingsports.com/starboard_ … ardog0.jpg
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A few years ago I even rode a 135 liter twinfin with a 7.0m2 in mast and a half conditions...20' on the face...and years before that on the Starboard Carve 111 and 121's...

Some kiters can now ride these conditions on surfboards...so, it's time to push the envelope a bit further...;-)

That's where longboard wavesailing comes in...being able to launch into the surf with light offshore wind conditions...

http://www.surfingsports.com/isla_vista … vista6.jpg

I believe that once on the wave face, a well designed SUP below 10' can wavesail circles around an 11' or 12'er with parallel rails...physics dictates that with shorter turning radius...

This is the search for the holy grail...the missing link between planable wave rides on a big lightair waveboard...and subplaning waverides on a longboard...

Plus, the board needs to be able to standup paddlesurf...shouldn't have to bring two boards when one will suffice...

Here are two new options...my 9'11' Blair and the Starboard 9'8" Fish with footstrap options...

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More pics of both boards on my blog...as well as several pics of other new 2008 Starboard SUP's...
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WARDOG wrote:

I believe that once on the wave face, a well designed SUP below 10' can wavesail circles around an 11' or 12'er with parallel rails...physics dictates that with shorter turning radius...

Hi Wardog,
I agree with everything you say, in particular with the quoted statement. What you lose with a sub 10 sailing SUP is the glide, but we all know that you can't everything!

Looks like we're looking for the same holy grail, as you call it.
Your 9'11'' looks very similar to the board I have in mind, but from the picture I can't really tell the thickness, width and rocker.

If somebody is interested, here are the specification I would give a shaper as of today's status of my knowledge.
- FIRST: dear Mr. Shaper, please shape me a board with a surfboard rocker. Do not have in mind in any moment that I will sail it! That's because I won't care if the board planes or not. Actually the board doesn't have to plane, otherwise it means that the rocker is not the best for the wave face, where is the place where I plan to enjoy this board most.
- bottom contour= flat in the middle (for SUP stability), concave in the nose, light V in the tail
- lenght= 9'6"
- width= 29"
- thickness in the middle= 3" 1/2
- tail= round pintail
- rails= soft surfing rails all the way through. Just a bit sharper in the back third of the board
The back third of the board will also have to be way thinner than the middle and nose. Way thinner!

I believe such a board will be on challenging side (!) for SUP, but it should be doable. The ideal would be to have my feet AT water level when SUP surfing. Lately talking with Jeff we were considering how exageratingly thick some SUP boards are (starboard 12.2 included!). What's up with that? It's not an advantage.. it makes the board wobbly sideways when you stay so high above the water level... rather add an inch in width...

Why I didn't go to a shaper yet?
First, I need to try a few (like a hundred!) more boards before I do that and second... I'm afraid the shaper will laugh at me! yikes

Wardog, since you tried tons of boards, whatcha think? Don't forget I'm 70 kg...
And do you mind to share the dimensions of the Blair? Thanks!

By the way, this search for the holy grail is so much fun...

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WARDOG wrote:

I believe that once on the wave face, a well designed SUP below 10' can wavesail circles around an 11' or 12'er with parallel rails...physics dictates that with shorter turning radius...

Hi Wardog,
I agree with everything you say, in particular with the quoted statement. What you lose with a sub 10 sailing SUP is the glide, but we all know that you can't everything!

Looks like we're looking for the same holy grail, as you call it.
Your 9'11'' looks very similar to the board I have in mind, but from the picture I can't really tell the thickness, width and rocker.

If somebody is interested, here are the specification I would give a shaper as of today's status of my knowledge.
- FIRST: dear Mr. Shaper, please shape me a board with a surfboard rocker. Do not have in mind in any moment that I will sail it! That's because I won't care if the board planes or not. Actually the board doesn't have to plane, otherwise it means that the rocker is not the best for the wave face, where is the place where I plan to enjoy this board most.
- bottom contour= flat in the middle (for SUP stability), concave in the nose, light V in the tail
- lenght= 9'6"
- width= 29"
- thickness in the middle= 3" 1/2
- tail= round pintail
- rails= soft surfing rails all the way through. Just a bit sharper in the back third of the board
The back third of the board will also have to be way thinner than the middle and nose. Way thinner!

I believe such a board will be on challenging side (!) for SUP, but it should be doable. The ideal would be to have my feet AT water level when SUP surfing. Lately talking with Jeff we were considering how exageratingly thick some SUP boards are (starboard 12.2 included!). What's up with that? It's not an advantage.. it makes the board wobbly sideways when you stay so high above the water level... rather add an inch in width...

Why I didn't go to a shaper yet?
First, I need to try a few (like a hundred!) more boards before I do that and second... I'm afraid the shaper will laugh at me! yikes

Wardog, since you tried tons of boards, whatcha think? Don't forget I'm 70 kg...
And do you mind to share the dimensions of the Blair? Thanks!

By the way, this search for the holy grail is so much fun...

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Jonathan wrote:

I'm also considering the 10'5" for beach break light wind wavesailing - I'm 70kg and the options seem to be; big waveboard like Evo 90, SUP like the 9'8" Starboard or dedicated sail board like the 10'5". I'm guessing that the narrower Kona would be much more fun to wave sail than the 30" wide 9'8" Starboard, particularly at my weight (please correct me if this doesn't make sense). The other thing is that I'm sure my light (<50kg) teenage kids could SUP the 10'5" Kona with no problem.
I've sailed Evo 90 in about 10knots at a point break in Western Australia and absolutely loved it but my home beach break is much harder to get through, I'm guessing the glide and longer waterline of a longer board would make it easier.
The real question for me is how much light wind wave riding is compromised comparing a large wave board to the bigger guys.
Any advice comment most welcome - thanks.

Johathan -

The more I read on the Kona 10'5" the more I think it will work great for lightweights (I'm 69kg).  My low-wind wave board is an Evo 92, but (at least in the Great Lakes "waves") it really needs some wind to work.  The 10'5" sounds like it will be fun in almost no wind at all, or more as Thomas wrote.  Check out the kudos from Marcos Perez on the Kona site too.

My "Great Lakes Wave" Quiver:  SF  4.7/5.5/6.3 + 80literwave/Evo92/Kona 10'5"

I'm all set except for the Kona.  Only trouble is gathering up the $1,650 to buy one...yow.   Any deals on them here in the US?

Drew

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At $1099, the Starboard 9'0" & 9'8" Fish are test bang for your buck watertoy on the planet...
I'm calling them the "SuperFish"...

We've had several opportunities to light air wavesail and standup paddle the
new Starboard 9'8" Fish lately...wavesailed it in crappy, "real world" surf with fluky wind...and paddle surfed it in kine kine (no pics)...
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http://www.surfingsports.com/bennett_fi … index.html
http://surfingsports.com/fish98_sf58/index.html
http://surfingsports.com/sb_fish98_jimi … index.html

It does both sports well...fast, turny, ridiculously stable...& very responsive...155 liters (9'8")...135 liters for the 9'0"...at 30" wide, it's also very standuppable...tons o' fun...and
can't beat the price...

I used to ride the Fish waveboards before they morphed the line into the Evo...
super-turny and responsive to the feet...very adapted to "real world" waves...

A shorter board is gonna fit mo' bettah in close spaced beach break better than a longer board...

http://www.surfingsports.com/starboard_ … sh98_1.jpg

http://www.surfingsports.com/starboard_ … sh98_2.jpg

http://www.surfingsports.com/blair_sbfi … index.html

http://www.surfingsports.com/starboard.asp

Lots more info here:
http://www.surfingsports.com/blog.asp

Mahalos and warm winds...{:~)

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Hi Dumptastic, my 10'5" arrives next week, I'll be out there on anything that even vaguely resembles a wave ASAP and let you know. My justification goes like this -  if it as good as I think it will be I won't need my Evo 80 anymore and the proceeds from selling that will go towards the cost of the Kona 10'5". Part of the real swinger for me was my Kona One, I have sailed that board so much more than I expected even in surf - I find that I really enjoy the longboard wave feel, even with something as huge and fast as the big Kona. Had a sail three days ago on the Kona with the 7.0SF at Sandy Point (the speedsailing spot in Oz) but instead of trying for speed worked my way up wind to the ocean at the entrance of the inlet. Had a fantastic solitary (we are talking super isolated, not a soul for miles) hour riding the waves at the entrance then a huge downwind run back to all the guys peering at their GPS's complaining about the wind not being at the perfect angle. Must admit I felt a little smug as they chuckled at my goofy long board!

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Who is on the Jimmy sail?
Killer shots!

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Wardog,

Great photos of the *board/Hendrix combo.

Knowing its primary purpose is waves and therefore wave-oriented rockers etc, would the 9'8'' operate OK in windy/choppy bay and lake conditions in Freeride mode?

The photos look like there are footstraps onboard - are they standard or retro-fitted? or is it just my eyesight?

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Not that I'm an expert or anything, but it seems like the extra foot and a half of length (the *board fish 9' vs the Kona 10'5") would be desireable in very light air, which is what I would be using it in.

If there's 12+ knots, I can ride the Evo92 (thanks WarDog!) with the SF6.3

I'm looking for something for the lighter days when the waves are usually small and mushy, and don't have much energy.  Seems like a longer rail would give you that "leverage" to get the board going so you could get half-decent rides.  Us "third coast"

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&i … 8&om=0

sailors don't have the luxury of swells generated a couple thousand miles away; it's just wind chop with 200 miles of fetch and sandbars providing a little bit of enhancement  smile

A longer rail would also help going upwind.  Seems like there's always nice peaks about a half mile upwind of wherever I launch from...!

Drew

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I don't think it wants to be sailed as a "FreeRide" board...the rails are soft...and the rocker is not optimized for speed...footstraps are inboard...two settings per strap...one more forward than the other...
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Bennett Williams goes off...windsurf, surf, tow, SUP, tandem, kite (strapless surfboard only)...
These standup shots were from a couple of years ago...
http://www.surfingsports.com/santa_barb … index.html

Back in the day when Bennett, Ian Boyd, Peter Trow, Howie Greene, Chris Chang, etc...were all going to school here...there would be heaps of broken gear (and bodies) after a killer Jalama sesh...just throwing themselves into the abyss...

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http://www.surfingsports.com/jalama_wavesailing.asp

Mahalos and warm winds...{:~)

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Hi Drew,
No doubt the 10'5" is a fun board...I'm a stoked Exocet and *board dealer so no worries...
Just pointing out that you're not gonna do standup on it...unless you're very light and the water is calm...

The 9'8" Fish has sidebiters that can help you crawl back to weather...helps compensate for loss of waterline...a shorter board has a tighter turning radius...price per mile of smile ratio is very nice...;-)

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