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Damn ... I should be ashamed of myself.

1. I’m eating meat ... everyday. I like it.
2. I drive big pickup truck with V8 engine. I need it for my business and for caring windsurfing and surfing staff to ocean. BTW: I’m 75 miles away from ocean. Well … sometimes (If it’s not raining or snowing (snow – white cold stuff, brrrrrr)) I ride to work my motorcycle.
3. Use a lot of plastic bags. Is there any other way to trash pampers? Pampers – that thing is really toxic.
4. We do laundry every day. See above.

I want to live on Maui too… but can’t afford. (Kids, parents, responsibilities …)
I would love to walk to work but it’s 30 miles away.
I would love to buy some economical diesel truck (not American version, with 6.2 liter tank engine) but where is it?
What should I do?

Andrew
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4865 miles East of Maui

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Excellent post GP.  You reminded me to get a battery charger -- I think they have them at Costco :-)

Here are some other tips:

- you can dispose of used alkaline batteries at www.batteryrecycling.com,  You have to pay $0.85 per pound plus shipping.

- make sure you recycle used electronics and computer equipment.  These parts contain nasty heavy metals.  On Maui you can recycle at the Maui Computer Swap on August 3,4 at the war memorial  http://www.compmaui.com/blog/maui-compu … -dates.php  This is a good place to dispose of used laptop batteries.

- compact fluorescent lights are more efficient and last longer than incandescent but they contain mercury (that needs to be properly recycled).  I don't know if the trade off is worth it on Maui where our electricity is generated from diesel and wind.  It probably does make sense on the US mainland where electricity is primarily generated from burning coal.

Re: "American Way" 
Pointing fingers across the Atlantic is not helpful.  Compared to how the other 80% of the world's population lives Europe and the US are very similar,  and we all have big problems.   

I know this is a sensitive issue but I wish there was a way to check the surf without driving all over the island.   The north shore cameras are helpful but they aren't aimed at the right places.   Knowing what's happening on the south side is even more difficult (and wastes more gas).  This is exacerbated by the fact that the conditions can change so quickly that an earlier report may not be accurate in a few hours.  I thought about building a messaging system where people could send surf reports to a blog from cell phone, and then subscribe to messages or check them online.  I've hesitated because people are so protective when it comes to 'their break'.  More cameras would help but I think the surf community would rebel.  Unfortunately we continue to waste fuel and contribute to traffic congestion driving around looking for surf.

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toro wrote:

Nowadays belgian companies have to pay 15cents a km for bikers, and probably in the near future that will become 20cents or more... (that is about 800 euro a year...) Public transportation is almost completely payed back, but cars don't get anything.

Now, that is a great example of government/corporate care for the environment. Chico, I agree that pointing fingers don't help, but let's face it... there's a lot to learn from some countries in the northern Europe.

Ben,
very good list of suggestions. Thanks a lot, your post is exactly what I was hoping for when I started this topic. Hopefully we'll get more. And I better fix that little leak in the shower...

GND, the item that I changed in the original post on my blog was #8 and I made a note for the change right away in the comments (check it out, it's still there): "BTW, I just changed point 8 (going to sleep and waking up early fall into point 10) with an easier to achieve use of rechargable batteries... "
The change was not related at all to your list. I hope you will reconsider what you wrote and make more constructive contributions in the future.

Madrussian,
I don't know if you should feel ashamed, but there's no doubt we could all do better.
Today, under the shower I thought that I could shave my head completely so that I wouldn't need to use all the conditioner that my long hair requires. Will I be ashamed if I won't do that? It's all up to each own priorities and values...
PS. You eat meat every day?! Better check your cholesterol, brah... I'm serious!

Chico,
thanks a lot, I didn't know about the computer swap.
I'm a decent forecaster and if there's hope for waves, I'm often on the south shore, so feel free to call me for a report.

And now, here's what I bought today at the grocery store:
- 3 papayas
- 1 zucchini
- 8 apple bananas
- 5 plums
- 4 tomatoes
- 1 honeydew melon
Number of new plastic bags introduced in the environment: 0 (I reused for the 20th time the ones I have in my car).
Discomfort level of having all those fruits and vegetable floating around in the basket: very mild.
Satisfaction level for knowing not to have polluted: extremely high. So high that made the fruit taste better... I'm not kidding, you guys should try!

PS. The total was $12.34... got to love Cash&Carry... The same stuff would have been impossible to buy at Costco (I imagine they only sell zucchini in packs of 40 in a nice plastic box...) and it would have been about $30 at Safeway.

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Hi all,

What I don’t get about shopping groceries and the awful consequences for the environment is the following:
As the supermarket truck anyway has to come to town, why can’t it pass my place throwing out my weekly order. Every single household is making the way to the super, mostly by car, lots of unnecessary traffic and CO2. Well, there must be reason to buy a V8 to impress people on the car parking.
Bio-diesel fuelled trucks that sells smart amounts of goods to prevent the use of too much plastics, like 8 pounds of dried fruit mix in a re-useable jar instead of 20 plastic wraped ½ pound bags. And if someone’s tells me that working people’s food could spoil in Paia’s sun, he/ she has to goddamn’ work for a fridge-mailbox!
Consumers habits could be changed easily, but the lovely lobbies and governments that made Planet Earth already quite dumpy, do not appreciate those changes. And if the western world doesn’t give a better image about respecting nature and resources, the other 80% will follow western idiot way of life, and it won’t be only innocent animals who will have to swallow future consequences. Lobbies will fly to Mars..., or what?!

Toro, I did bike to work two bloody years in Belgium and didn’t get a cent as Belgium people and especially foreigners do hardly get long-term contracts hereb, that are necessary to receive mileage cents. I am EEU citizen, and after 2 years working here, I’m not even allowed to take part in an 6 month-apprenticeship, sponsored by EEU money. Not that convincing, bloody un-European-apartheid-Hellgium ! But I like your biking and hennep attitude.

A lot of smart ideas about caring for the environment on this forum yet, the image of recycling as something really positive, that I had in my mind, did change. Two additional ideas:
1.    A 200 watt Ecolite nearly replaces the 400 watt high-pressure bulb, regarding the results, lives 8 time longer,  is saver and less pollluting when dumped
2.    why not doing a cycle holiday this year, I am going to cycle to England for some environmental friendly holiday experience

GP, surf your ass off!!!

Cherio,

Chris

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I was just about to get ready to do that... Hookipa has some waves and I have three new wave fins to try. I may need to do a post about them...

PS. Chris, make you sure you take an inflatable raft with you on your trip to UK...

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As I posted on my blog:

I just found that you can see a lot of extras on the 'Hawaii: message in the waves' website. If you think you don't have the time to see them all, at least watch this one: http://www.messageinthewaves.com/xtras. … start=true
When you'll see feathers around a bunch of plastic objects, that was a bird that died because he ate all those objects.

I want to thank the authors of this movie that made me aware of this shocking facts and radically changed my habits. I reduced my purchasing of plastic objects and increased the reuse of them.
I hope you guys will consider doing the same.

Here's an abstract from another of those extras:

The world uses 1.2 trillion plastic bags a year.
That's over one million bags every minute.
On average we use a plastic bag for 12 minutes before disposal (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
It can last in the environment for centuries.

Are you guys as shocked as me when I saw this movie the first time or am I just a particularly sensitive kind of guy?

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Ciao Cammar,

the movie to me is no more shocking, those scenes were seen too often on TV, but they are still making me aware of the importance of respecting the environment and their resources. Thanks for this!
Just arriving back form my England trip, I can’t enjoy your, for sure, fish movie production on your blog, buhuhu!!!

Couldn’t find a inflatable raft that I could transport with my bike…loads of CO2 due to taking the ferry. I should have windsurfed there!
Even as a bike camper I used a lot of plastic, aluminium and stuff packages, and since you made me more aware of the doubts about recycling and use of plastic, it really annoys that supers don’t give possibilities to clean my plastic bottle and refill it with mineral water, which I use to mix with thick juice. And get a macrobiotic snack there instead of ages of search… and the ain’t got almond butter.
Never saw to many smashed animals the last four days, bloody like the weather and camping opportunities, 20 – 25 knots chilling down wind was to much to get a place on the campsite.
There are lots of caravan sites, where only caravans can be accommodated , cycle touring in England can be a bitch! Just like ferry companies, not taking foot passengers, the local bike shop shortening my bike chain to much and the missing of a smart bike route system for a distance of 360 km’s between 3 European countries.

And I did miss a swelly weekend…

Ciaociaociao,

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What sucks about global warming is that its conseguences seem to hit countries that didn't contribute to it as much as others (with the exception of that 2005 hurricane season...).

20 million people lost their homes because of our damn cars, dryers, factories, etc...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6927389.stm

Will we have to wait till Florida and Holland are submerged to have the western world to start to really do something? Maybe not even then...

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So much environmental activity seems to offer little in the way of feel-good tangible results.  You know it's helping, but you really cannot see it.  Well, along comes modern wind power.  Maui erected a small grouping of turbines http://www.heco.com/vcmcontent/Corporat … 7_meco.pdf on the West side of the Isthmus and it was producing almost 10% of our energy in it's first month.  This upcoming year, a second farm will go up in Ulupalukua that when complete will bring us up to 20%.  4 other wind projects are proposed, that could bring Maui to over 50% !!!

That is without Solar, without wave energy, etc.

On the topic of wave energy capture check out these guys http://www.oceanpowertechnologies.com/tech.htm#  which have been succesfully used here in HI. 

Even so, the state goal is only a 20% reduction in conventional energy inependence by 2020.  C'mon...C'mon

Randy

www.standupzone.com

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It may be an eyesore, but I love the Maui wind farm!!!
When I'm surfing Thousand peaks, I always check if the blades are turning... and they always are!
That in one step in the good direction.
Thanks for the contribution.

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When I first saw the towers going up, I have to admit that I too thought that they were going to be a bit of an eyesore, but man, they make me proud now (and I had nothing to do with them).  Now I love to look at them. 

In this photo http://randallstrome.com/Stacks.htm you can (barely) see the toewrs before the blades were installed on the ridge in the background.   Certainly better looking than our current energy source.

It just makes you think, "if 15 of them gets us 10%, how soon can we get 150 up?"

I would not have thought Ulupalukua had enough wind, but if it does, what about the Kaahoolawe wind farm?

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Hopefully sooner than we would think...

This is quite a fresh news: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= … refer=home

Let's see if the imbecile puts the veto...

PS. Great photos on that site of yours!

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GP,

a side note on this shot http://randallstrome.com/Undercut.htm , also here http://randallstrome.com/Overhang.htm that at least I find interesting.  A famous photo http://www.anseladams.com/index.asp?Pag … rodID=1004 was taken by Ansel Adams in this Paia cemetary just over 50 years ago.  It stood about 20 feet in front of the pictured marker.  Erosion took it long ago.  Click for the detail top center in the first shot.  It shows the more recent additions, and the normal views show the open graves.  Not my usual perky landscapes, but it gives you a sense of mortality, time and impermanance for sure.  Erosion has been at work longer than the islands have been here, but what effect global warming has, is certainly in mind.  Best,

Randy

www.standupzone.com

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I too am interested in Wind Farms, and look we have them here in South Australia!

http://www.geocities.com/daveclarkecb/A … Power.html

The only down side was when they were installed they were responsible for the deaths of a number of Wedge Tail Eagles, an endangered Eagle species in SA sad

Bit hard to teach wildlife to dodge turbine blades.

Lano,

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Check this from Maui on 2002.  http://www.heco.com/vcmcontent/FileScan … rFacts.pdf We are largely Meco supplied.  There may be the perception that a good deal of our energy is coming from renwable biomass (cane, etc), but not so.  What we aren't doing in wind and solar is almost all Oil and Coal.

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Lano,
sad about the eagles. I think that the amount of CO2 saved by installing the farms would have done more domage than that.

Rand,
intreresting. Looks like there's a large power plant in Maalaea. I've never really seen it. Next time I'll pay more attention... it's probably not on the main road, uh?

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The windmill over near Kealia Pond was privately owned but never successful. The owner donated it to Maui Electric who also never got it to work. It rusted away until they had to dismantle it at great expense.
Looks like this current generation stuff might do the trick. With all the wind and sun here, Maui should have it going.
Where I'm employed (a car & bike dealership) they just added a new section to be totally covered in solar panels. They plan to power everything including our ice/fan type air conditioner and garage ventilation.
Rand: most excellent photos in that stack series.
GP The Maui News and several people at the coffee shop were talking about a proposal to ban all plastic bags on Maui. From your lips to God's ears I guess. Now how soon?
Today I took a smaller cup of ice from Safeway. It was a little less ice but the paper cup has to break down much faster than those thick plastic ones. Then I asked for my meat in a small baggy instead of the usual thick, heavy plastic tray. It felt like a beginning.

lucky to live Maui

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Perfect timing.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LEaOkhWOZ1A

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Love it Rand, very funny.....

'Hey kid, stop ruining the rich peoples views!' GOLD!

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It's gonna be hard to enjoy that view once their houses will be under water... and that'll be pretty soon!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292588,00.html

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So I finally asked the guy at the recycling station in front of Kanaha Kai.
Here's what he told me:

- glass bottles gets recycled into the material to build the asfalt of the roads
- alluminum cans get shipped to the mainland and are melted again to do more alluminum cans
- plastic bottles are shipped to the mainland and they're used to build carpets/sleeping bags, stuff like that (that's what he said).
He had no clue about plastic bags, since his shop doesn't deal with that.

Shipped to the mainland? I don't believe it...
Melted again? Imagine the CO2 emission just to do that...
Converted into carpets? Oh, come on!

The more I know about it, the more I think that recycling does more damage than benefit.

We got to learn to reuse!

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Actually fleece (which you probably never use on da island smile ) are made from recycled plastic

Whats the alternative to shipping it to the mainland - burn it (or just throw it in to the volcano) - bury it in the ground - dump it in the ocean like in the 60's - the alternative could be a waste plant on the island, (if you don't already have one) but since you don't need heat to warm your buildings - that would be a waste to - We use the heat from the waste plants to heat up buildings and to make energy

Of course the ideal would to produce no waste at all or reuse everything - but not everything can be reused

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Exocet Exowave 75pro & 95pro, JP FSW 98III, Inspiro No Friend 12', Kona One, '83 Mistral Competition Epoxy
+ several other more or less retired boards and sails in the garage

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Surfingsen wrote:

not everything can be reused

Right.
Now, if we as human species would be just a little smarter and more sensitive to the environment, we would EXCLUSIVELY produce containers that can be reused and would put penalties (worldwide) for those who don't reuse them and instead throw them away.
There you go, the problem of the waste of small containers would be resolved at once and forever.

Too bad that instead we are a bunch of idiots and we don't really care if animals die eating our waste...

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cammar wrote:

The more I know about it, the more I think that recycling does more damage than benefit.

Yep, recycling is expensive and very polluting, and very often doesn't really make sense.

cammar wrote:

We got to learn to reuse! ...
Now, if we as human species would be just a little smarter and more sensitive to the environment, we would EXCLUSIVELY produce containers that can be reused and would put penalties (worldwide) for those who don't reuse them and instead throw them away.
There you go, the problem of the waste of small containers would be resolved at once and forever.

You can't reuse everything indefinitely - so even any permanent containers will became waste eventually... but we may try to use some organic (easy recyclable) materials for containers. Example: bags made of leaf, baskets made of branches. We may stop using toilet paper, start using leafs. Stop using ballpens, start using goose feather .... old style. Back to the future... ;-)

Andrew
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4865 miles East of Maui

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MadRussian wrote:

You can't reuse everything indefinitely - so even any permanent containers will became waste eventually...

True,
but if everybody would refill their water plastic bottle 100 times, the number of plastic bottles introduced in the environment (or, at that point, recycled) would 100 times less. And that on a worldwide scale would make a huge difference.

Plus, today's containers cannot be reused indefenitely, because they are build to be thrown away.
We went on the bloddy moon... we have the technology for building veeery long lasting containers... we just don't do it!
Who would invest money in developing a product that nobody would buy because we so f*&^ing spoiled that we don't even want to bother to refill a bottle with water, instead of popping a brand new one every time we're thirsty?

Instead, look what kind of new products we come up with... Have you seen those new mini water plastic bottles? Goddamit, not even a glass of water inside! And people buy tons of them at Costco... "oh, they're so convenient!", they say...

I'd like to unscrew the cap and make them eat it... like the birds and the turtles that probably will eat it once it will end up in the environment...

"So Ma'am... how convenient does it feel now that it's in your stomach, uh?"

...sorry, I got a little carried away... this subject really touches me...

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