Topic: 10 Little things I do to try to respect the environment

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I read somewhere that paint on boats are hazardous to marine creatures.... but what about paint on windsurf boards, or even surfboards, do you know if they are hazardous to the environment?

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Ouch, touche'...

As long as I know, pretty much everything a windsurf or surfboard is made of is bad for the environment.
There's a lot of chemicals involved in the contruction of a surfboard and a lot of... leftovers (sorry, can't find a better word). Once built, a board itself doesn't damage the environment (unless you hit a turtle). It's the building and what you do with it when it's time to throw it away that's bad.

Jeff, wonna add something about the envinronmental impact of building and disposing of a sail?

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Sails are a little easier for disposal.
As we all know too well, sails degrade in the sun. If you want to make it rot, leave it ou in the sun and it will eventually disappear.
Battens can be reused.
Super Freaks can be made into clothing or tarps. The PVC window is probaly the worst part of all as it is nearly impossible o recycle.
But I think making a sail that lasts a long time is the best way to conserve. Less sails replaced, less crap in the land fill.

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10 Little Thoughts to understand the Others

1. Cashier at the grocery store has been trained to give out several plastic bags, because if bags are too heavy they may brake, and consumers may complain.  Just ask for recycled paper bags, almost all stores have them, in addition you can always bring the plastic bags to redemption center.
2. Working population may find the dryers useful, by the way how many laundries do you make in a year?
3. Working population has its playtime at night, so they go out, watch TV, study, if they are in school and so on. It is not about living following the nature,  it is about living!
4. About "rich" people I would not be that judgemental, how can you know that most of rich people do not reclycle? Is there any reserch on that?
5. I believe that people can spend money as they like, and for someone it means to have a 6 cylinders  SUV, someone else wants a 2 milllion dollar home, or 20 surfboards and winsurfboards in the garage. As long as one respects others persons and properties it is fine.
6. Bottled water is handy, bottles are recycleable, the industry creates jobs, and again when a person is busy filling up a bottle or two every morning can be difficult to remember.
7. What do you have against canned tomateos? I can make a great spaghetti sauce with organic canned tomatoes and save money, organic fresh tomatoes are expensive, and the one that are not organic involve the use of pesticides, which are not healthy for the environment.
8. I miss walking everyday, but how one can walk on Maui, besides walking on the beach, at the Mall, or to the post office when shopping at the grocery store in Paia?
9. Do you really think that there is a lot of rubbish around here? Maybe compared to North and Middle european countries, yes, but think about the "Bel Paese"? However, there is room for improvement here, that's for sure.
10. According to Darwin's theory of "The Survival of the Fittest" the stronger will survive and the weakest will disapperar, it has been like this for million of years, humans and non humans adapted to  environmental changes several times, what we can do is containing the damages we did, since I believe that each adult person has somewhat contributed to this situation, even Al Gore and Leo Di Caprio,(and would check which cars they have in their garages) and see what will happen.
Maybe the cute turtle of the picture will develop a digestive system which will enable it to digest all plastic and other rubbish and it will become the stronger specie and run the world.
That's my take in on it. Have a great day!

Last edited by girl next door (2007-07-20 13:20:08)

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Conservation and preservation definitely very important … but this is just part of problem. We (humans) need new energy source. That’s probably most important task for science now.
Old sources (coal, oil, wood, gas)
a. will be gone soon
b. polluting environment
c. create political instability around them, and future looking only worse. How many conflicts feed on oil money? How many will?
Can you imagine what will happen in world if new energy source discovered and nobody needs to burn anything to get energy?
Now … little problem: governments NOT NEED NEW ENERGY SOURCE!
People on top benefiting from oil, gas….  and don't give a sh*t about future.

Andrew
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4865 miles East of Maui

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Dear girl next door,

thank you for your post. There's a couple of points that show how completely clueless and unaware we can all be.

1. corporations train the cashiers to give away many plastic bags and I train them to give few. It's one of my ways of trying to change things. This post is another. Maybe not particularly effective, but at least I'm doing something.
And now that you make me think about, I'll print out that photo of the tree with the plastic bags, make hundres of photocopies and hand them to all the cashiers of all the big stores in Kahului. I may even hand it out to the clients at the exit. Cool, it's gonna be fun... let's see if I can get a few phone numbers too.. ;-)
Plastic is extremely hard to recycle. Please, PLEASE, read this http://www.healthgoods.com/Education/En … lastic.htm and learn something. Recycling is WAY overrated. Reusing is the way.
Recycled paper bags? Never seen them at walmart (if there are they are so well hidden that nobody knows about them) and plus they are made out of paper products... that are made out of trees!
2. working population have the chance to choose to do their laundry on sundays and use a line instead of a drier if the weather allows. It all comes down to their priorities.
Thanks to the warm weather of Maui, I pretty much only wear shorts, so I rarely do laundries on my own. I just throw a couple of shirts a week in a friend's laundry, so that I don't have to do a full cycle of washing machine for just a few clothes (other common habit).
3. fine. I'm not saying that everybody should live like me. I'm just trying to provoke constructive thinking.
4. no research, don't take me too literally. The people that throws cans and bottles in the garbage are evidently richER than the people that pick them out to make a few bucks... right? That's what I meant.
5. a big SUV that burns a gallon of gas every 15 miles or less contributes to air pollution and global warming more than a more efficient car. We'll talk about respect for the others when Kuau will be submerged by the ocean...
6. geez... difficult to remember? Again, it's up to everyone's priorities...
7. what do I have against canned tomatoes? ... THE BLODDY CAN!!!!
8. you're welcome to borrow my bycicle.
9. there's way too much garbage in the world. Again, please watch "Hawaii a message in the waves" and start acting as the animal lover you claim to be.
10. exactly. It has been natural selection for million of years. Too bad that the human species have introduced way too many artificial things that are NOT NATURAL at all in the last few hundred years...
If the turtle developing a digestive system capable to digest plastic bags was a joke, it wasn't funny.

Ok, 'nough of that.

This post had the double purpouse of raising awareness (hopefully it worked next door), but also to learn from all the readers new ways of respecting the environment. Any suggestions out there?

Madrussian,

agree with everything. But that is a different and even bigger problem that, as you say, only science will hopefully fix.
Yes, let's imagine a world in which there was such a source of renewable and clean energy. It will be a lot better from the pollution point of view, but it won't change the humans' habit of using and unnecessarily disposing all kind of polluting shit.
Come on, how many out there wash their ziplocks (when possible) and use them again? I personally know less than five...

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Hey Lim and others,

     Just a quick reply to your statement, "I read somewhere that paint on boats are hazardous to marine creatures....", thought you would like to know the reason.

     Yes, bottompaint for boats is extremely toxic to marine organisms.  Here's some info from West Marine:

All (antifouling/bottompaints) need to keep underwater critters from attaching for reasons that include: Safety—heavy fouling makes your boat ride lower in the water. Damage—fouling can cause damage to the hull’s substrate, created by the natural adhesives secreted by the organisms. Speed and maneuverability—underwater drag leads to a loss of handling ability. Economics—with high fuel costs, the loss of fuel economy from dirty bottoms is increasingly expensive.

Antifouling paints contain biocides, chemical agents that hinder or repel unwanted underwater life. Most contain copper compounds, and some have a second “booster” biocide to prevent algae growth. Some paints maintain a level of biocide near the hull surface, and others rely on their inherent "slickness" to prevent growth from sticking. Paints also contain resins to bind the coating together and control the release rate of the biocide, solvents to control application properties and drying rate, and color pigments.

Ely

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There’s a good article in the current Maui Weekly about the ‘ban the bag’ campaign here on Maui. Retailers would be required by law to change their ways and here’s a website with some clear facts www.reusablebags.com

On the other spectrum how mental is this…..I heard a report yesterday on NPR (www.npr.org my plagiarized version here)) that Whole Foods stores were mobbed with customers lining up to buy limited edition canvas bags printed with: "I'm not a plastic bag." !!!!! And all because they were designed by a top fashion designer chick whose bags usually sell for more than $1,500. Plus it gets crazier; a similar offer at a store in Taiwan caused a stampede of shoppers, the riot police were called in, and 30 would-be buyers were hospitalized!  Wotdafuk is that all about?!

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GP & Ely, thanks for the additional info.
: )

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In Australia every supermarket and department store sells very cheap fabric bags at the checkout, most will still supply plastic bags but fortunately there has been a real shift in the culture away from them. The fabric bags are reusable and strong, every year when my mother in law comes from UK she takes home a heap to give to friends. (Maybe Jeff could print up some Hot Sails ones when he's doing the T-Shirts!)  The biggest chain of Home Depot equivalent stores doesn't even have bags any more, just beyond the checkout area is a big enclosure where they put all the suitable sized cardboard boxes that the goods on the shelves came in, you just grab the one that suits the stuff you are buying.

I'm not trying to say we are different to people anywhere else, the funny thing is that some simple stuff like this becomes "normal" very quickly. Seems to take a "shove" from some enlightened people in the community to change direction. As a nation, Australia is right down there with the U.S. in terms of greenhouse gas per person, hopefully doing a whole lot of little things spreads some awareness.

On our recent trip to Maui it was interesting to see the reaction of the checkout people dealing with us having the supermarket trolley full of apples and bananas rolling around in with everything else, the tough fruit and vegies don't need another bag. Refusing bags at the checkout was either greeted with elation or some funny looks!

Good on you Giampaolo for this contribution to awareness, and for the one on one checkout person re-education.

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Sharon wrote:

There’s a good article in the current Maui Weekly about the ‘ban the bag’ campaign here on Maui. Retailers would be required by law to change their ways and here’s a website with some clear facts www.reusablebags.com

On the other spectrum how mental is this…..I heard a report yesterday on NPR (www.npr.org my plagiarized version here)) that Whole Foods stores were mobbed with customers lining up to buy limited edition canvas bags printed with: "I'm not a plastic bag." !!!!! And all because they were designed by a top fashion designer chick whose bags usually sell for more than $1,500. Plus it gets crazier; a similar offer at a store in Taiwan caused a stampede of shoppers, the riot police were called in, and 30 would-be buyers were hospitalized!  Wotdafuk is that all about?!

Im going to design my own range of customised canvas bags, sell them for $1500 each, I will be in Maui before you know it....just get out of my way though!

The world is a crazy place, I always get confused when department stores have sales on, people line up for hours, a mad rush as the door opens, they all charge in, only to find other plebs have won a competition to get in first, bought the one and only plasma screen for 50c and pissed off! The sales then kick on for a few weeks, same shit on the tables as what was there at 7am on the opening day...losers!

Although I did pick up some nice shirts and ties last week....

Maui Times eh? wonder if thats a 'Murdoch Newslimited' paper, could look at a transfer? Hmmmmmm?

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As far as paper bags, what I meant was paper bags made out of recycled paper, and as far as plastic bags one can recycle those as well. www.mauicounty.gov/recycle

http://www.co.maui.hi.us/departments/En … rintview=Y

FYI

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girl next door wrote:

3. Working population has its playtime at night, so they go out, watch TV, study, if they are in school and so on. It is not about living following the nature,  it is about living!
5. I believe that people can spend money as they like, and for someone it means to have a 6 cylinders  SUV, someone else wants a 2 milllion dollar home, or 20 surfboards and winsurfboards in the garage. As long as one respects others persons and properties it is fine.
8. I miss walking everyday, but how one can walk on Maui, besides walking on the beach, at the Mall, or to the post office when shopping at the grocery store in Paia?
9. Do you really think that there is a lot of rubbish around here? Maybe compared to North and Middle european countries, yes, but think about the "Bel Paese"? However, there is room for improvement here, that's for sure.
10. Maybe the cute turtle of the picture will develop a digestive system which will enable it to digest all plastic and other rubbish and it will become the stronger specie and run the world.

On point no. 3, if it's all about living, why would someone stay in a place with no nature and be part of the rat race. They could move and become something better like we did. No.5. Sorry, but if everyone does what they want we will face an earlier extinction. You voted for war? On 8., Why can't you walk on Maui? What am I missing? I thought this was one of the planet's top places for that and biking, running, swimming, w/sing, kiting, hang gliding, etc. 9. I don't care about Beirut's trash problem. If you don't see the one here you aren't getting around much. It's everywhere...... 10. Giampaolo is right on this one. You may think that's cute; but it's not anymore than watching a parent abuse a child or a big person abuse a small. We have been shameful guardians of this beautiful planet and maybe it's a feel good thing, but I believe trying on a small scale to do what you can is good.

lucky to live Maui

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Sharon,
good sites! Even though the first is a .com one, I like the facts reported in here: http://www.reusablebags.com/facts.php?id=2.
I also like the Carbon atom cartoon on the npr one. Thanks.

Jonathan,
good job at stepping out of the box while in Maui. There might be a lot of caring individual behaviors over there, but I can't forget that Australia was the only country together with the States not to sign the Kyoto protocol for CO2 emissions... I hope you guys changed the government since then. The States unfortunately didn't...
Also Costo (the store I hate most here, because it's the symbol of Babilonian consumerism) doesn't give any plastic bags at all, but offers used cardboard to their customers. Too bad that every single item sold in the store is packaged in plastic. Now even wine bottles corks are plastic.
Our society that has become so incredibly plastic dependent. Time for a turn...

G.N.D.,
recycling has probably done more damage than good. I know too many people that keep getting unnecessary stuff just because... "Oh, no problem... I recycle!"

Here's a few facts about recycling in Maui.
Alluminum cans recycling is probably the most effective, since they are turned into a component of what will be used to build roads.
Glass bottles are recycled into glass. From Wikipedia: "Every ton of glass used for producing new glass items saves 315kg of carbon dioxide": good. A ton of reused glass would introduce NO CO2 AT ALL: better!
Plastic bottles and bags are by far the most difficult to recycle and the process is very polluting. As long as I know there's no recycling facilities in Maui, so I don't really know what happens to that.
The fact that the Maui county has a recycling program doesn't mean that they really recycle it. I'll investigate on that.

Again, REUSING is the way.

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Mistery Bob,

on point #3, I assume you have a car and you buy some food in order to survive, and as you wrote you kitesurf and bike. You probably rent or own a house and a mailbox and you get mail. Just think all the resources you need just to live as a"minimalist". Who provides all this? Workers!!! This people needs to have fun somewhat since they do not have time to sail and surf all day long. I understand if they want to go out at night and have a drink or go to movie.
#5: yes, as you long as you respect other persons and properties you can do what you want, and if a person feels realized owning a huge SUV, good for him/her. In addition, i did not vote for war, war does not respect other persons and properties.
#8: cammar point was specific, was about walking when possible, instead of using the car. I do it, but I cannot walk from Paia to Wailuku every morning to get to work! How do you reach Kite beach, by the way? read #8 again! I did not mention anything about Maui being one of the planet's top places for outdoor activities, I agree with you on that.
#9: on post # 13 there is my answer.
#10: about extinction, we know what makes a better environment, there is education about that and we have all the resources that we need, it is just a matter of use it. the problem are countries like India, Pakistan, most of African countries, they have nothing. Have you ever been there? I had. It is SCARY!

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cammar wrote:

G.N.D.,
recycling has probably done more damage than good. I know too many people that keep getting unnecessary stuff just because... "Oh, no problem... I recycle!"

You are giving mixed messages, that's what i call Passive Aggressive!

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A link to the group that initiated the calico bag drive in australia http://www.planetark.com/campaignspage. … /story.htm

Giampaolo - the Kyoto Australian thing is a sore point for many Australians, Federal election coming up this year so hopefully it will change.

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Farts, poops, and too many babies,

Here is a piece that Chantalle, my wife, wrote for submission to the Harvard Review.
I am very proud of it. 

http://www.standupzone.com/thunder.htm

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Hi GP,

I like your effort for awareness.

My contribution;
In the Netherlands paper recycling has come to such a high standard that research revealed that paper bags actually have more impact on the environment that plastic bags nowadays. If you take in account all the energy that is used to produce and recycle and transport etc. For a school project we tried to analyze this as well using the ecoscan software package.
My advice, use a backpack to take your grocery's home!

An other important advice; Use materials that don't need to travel very far, example;
Some materials like bamboo are considered very ecofriendly. With the new awareness for global warming everyone (coorporations) is trying to make a buck out of this. Some country's import so much of the stuff that all the cost and emissions used to get the eco-friendly materials to places in the world just does not help. Instead try to use materials found in your surroundings. Just think for yourself and look further that what you are being told and just ingnorantly following the crowd. People tend to being brain-washed.

Some nice links (some are more relevant than others);
http://www.oceanpd.com/default.html
http://www.waveswing.com/
http://skysails.info/index.php?id=13
http://www.paxscientific.com/
http://www.practical-instruments.com/
http://www.mcdonough.com/full.htm

P.S. surfboards made from glassfibre and carbonfibre are not recycleable at all!!
Aluminium is indefenitly reusable, allthought it takes a lot of energy to melt and melt and melt...

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Great article, Chantalle.
I wasn't happy to find out how much of a fart polluter I am, specially considering that I read it sitting on the throne... The fact that I have no kids (at least that I am aware of...), made me feel a little better.

Yes, we are way too many. We can't stop pooing, but we can stop making too many kids and producing that much garbage.
Let me be more passive agressive (?) and remind everyone to make an effort to try to reuse instead of recycle.

HSL, thanks for the contribution.

Also, let me report here two comments I received on my blog. For some reasons (maybe the registration process?), some people seem not to like the forum idea...

Anonymous wrote:

Isn't it a little bit late for this? You seem like a terminal cancer patient, fretting about smoking one more cigarette. The horse is long gone. Closing the barn door does make no difference now. Even if you could get everyone to listen and follow your example, Cammar, this would not undo the damage already done. It's a tragedy, for sure. All you could do is prolong the inevitable. Unless you believe in miracles. Like, for example, an extra-terrestrial alien intervention, that cleans up the planet with unknown technology. Not likely. Enjoy life, my friend, and, if it makes you feel better to whistle in the dark, have at it, but understand, all you are doing is whistling in the dark, no matter how many others you can convince to join you in whisling your self-congratulatory righteous virtuous tune. Deeds divorced from effects are senseless and insane.

Anonymous, better late than never. If there's something I don't like, I try to change it (and enjoy my life at the same time). You sound like you're dead instead.

More grim facts wrote:

From Maui Weekly - recommendations for how to save trees can be found in the original: http://www.mauiweekly.com/Malama%20Aina/story4765.aspx

* A forest area the size of 20 football fields is lost every minute to paper production (http://www.woodwise.org).

* Of the global wood harvest for “industrial uses” (everything but fuelwood) 42 percent goes to paper production, a proportion expected to grow by more than 50 percent in the next 50 years (“Paper Cuts,” WorldWatch Institute 1999).

* 12 billion magazines are published each year, and more than 95 percent of the magazine paper produced contains no recycled content (“Turning the Page: Environmental Impacts of Magazine Production and Recommendations for Improvement,” The PAPER Project).

My personal take on why does this matter:

- Forests are the lungs of the planet - they fixate CO2 (greenhouse gas).

- Forests provide habitat to myriads of species.

- Trees are pretty.

Thanks for the contribution.

Once again, anyone with some little, easy to achieve ways to pollute less at home, at work, at the beach.. please share it here. Thanks.

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Good iniative Cammar. Probably you will not reach to many people, but it's ok if just one person starts rearranging his life in a more nature friendly way.

If you ask me, I'd also rather be whistlin' in the dark all by myself, than adopting the american way of life. Gaz spillage everywhere.

I try do to as much as I can by bike: groceries, go to the beach, go out to the movies, visiting family, etc... Hey, I even earn money going to work by bike. Nowadays belgian companies have to pay 15cents a km for bikers, and probably in the near future that will become 20cents or more... (that is about 800 euro a year...) Public transportation is almost completely payed back, but cars don't get anything. And still I'm one of the few that do bike. But it makes me feel good. (although it would make me feel much better if everybody would do it my way)


I'm sure it must be possible to make 100% natural boards, using hennep and ...?  Why not invest time (and some money) in trying to come up with an organic (the 'hot' word in the usa nowadays) windsurfboard? I definitely would be interested.

Hennep yarns can also be used for making harnesses, boardbags, ... all other accessories...?

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cammar wrote:

Once again, anyone with some little, easy to achieve ways to pollute less at home, at work, at the beach.. please share it here. Thanks.

Here are a couple of things:

-if you drive, combine errands into one trip instead of multiple single trips
-maintain your vehicle (tires, oil changes, tune ups, etc) to keep up mpg
-fly as infrequently as possible, and if you do fly, purchase quality carbon offsets
-consider an alternative fuel vehicle. I drive a jetta powered by biodiesel. There are many options.
-consider eating less meat. The meat industry is a major environmental polluter and livestock contribute methane to global warming, plus deforestation to create grazing lands.
-purchase less plastic. for example, don't buy bottled water in plastic. Municipal tap water is often better and safer than bottled water, and costs many times less. Take a bottle, fill it up and put in the fridge if you want cold water. Try a reusable cup for coffee instead of a new paper one every time at starbucks.
-energy and water efficiency measures in your home: high efficiency toilets, showerheads, lightbulbs, etc. Fix leaks in your plumbing and irrigation systems.
-try riding a bike to work or for errands if possible.
-consider solar pannels if you own a home and can afford it
-at work, set up recycling containers, encourage recycled paper purchasing, turn off unnecessary computers and lights
-for water quality, don't wash anything into storm drains that feed directly into bays, rivers, or oceans.

Other ideas?
-Ben

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How come #3 in the blog, has been changed from the original version? That's stinks, and the forum at this point is totally sensless,  At least have the courage of your own words and post a correction, instead!  TOTALLY PA!!

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GND... what changed in Giampaolos third post, I missed it and I now wonder too.
On your reply to what I said, you made some fair points. As often is the case, Ii didn't express very well what I was trying to say. I wasn't really trying to imply that you were for war, but to say that when people buy and own many things that are opulent and/or unnecessary (and they do have the legal right) they are further separating us from the harmony that Bob Marley sung of, that each of us knows inside should exist between the people of the world. Until one where man shares more equitably with his fellow man, there will be WAR! I believe American extravagance will be it's downfall and that all people should think more globally than selfishly. Yes I use gas, sometimes eat meat, etc. but I don't own all that stuff. Today's paper said HIV is far overtaking what treatment they can provide in African countries. How does Joe Blow buying a bigger TV and S.U.V. help that. On the other hand conservative thinking like benpfree and Cammar are suggesting strikes me more humble/less arrogant and selfish. How many laundries do they do?

lucky to live Maui

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