.: Hot Sails Maui Forum :. http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum .: Hot Sails Maui Forum :. en http://backend.userland.com/rss Longboard Wavesailing technique tips http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=47634#47634 47634@http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum Here you'll find the long version: http://mauisurfreport.blogspot.com/2007 … chive.htmlI'm linking the whole June 07 page, because I think there's a few nice posts... I like the speed demon video a lot, for example. Of course, there's also the Windsurfing best windsurfing blogger page, but that's just a coincidence... ;)Irish accent, uh? That must be why I didn't understand your point 3... Here you'll find the long version: http://mauisurfreport.blogspot.com/2007 … chive.html

I'm linking the whole June 07 page, because I think there's a few nice posts... I like the speed demon video a lot, for example. Of course, there's also the Windsurfing best windsurfing blogger page, but that's just a coincidence... ;)

Irish accent, uh? That must be why I didn't understand your point 3...

]]> Sun, 06 Jul 2008 12:30:50 -0700 Longboard Wavesailing technique tips http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=47633#47633 47633@http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum Thanks very much for all your tips and advice.  It looks like I've got some work ahead to improve my backwind/fin first sailing etc etc etc. It should be an enjoyable summer!I've got one futher question.  The video of Jeff mentions in the opening credits that it is the short version- is there a long version??Cammar; I sail on the west coast of Ireland- you probably noticed the unusual accent. Thanks very much for all your tips and advice.  It looks like I've got some work ahead to improve my backwind/fin first sailing etc etc etc. It should be an enjoyable summer!
I've got one futher question.  The video of Jeff mentions in the opening credits that it is the short version- is there a long version??
Cammar; I sail on the west coast of Ireland- you probably noticed the unusual accent.

]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:11:57 -0700 Longboard Wavesailing technique tips http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=47632#47632 47632@http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum Lovely thread.My contrib:1) As Mr. Happy said, if you can fly the sail, you can probably water start. Choose a day (or an area) with no waves and learn the light wind technique. I didn't know how to do it before, but with the longboard it's way easier to learn. And now, I can light wind water start also on my shortboard and that saved my ass multiple times at Hookipa.BTW, also my shortboard tacking improved a lot after practicing on the longboard. And if you want to learn heli tacks, sailing clew first, sailing backwinded, sailing fin first, etc... the longboard is the easiest way to learn.2) Agree with Jeroen. Try a 5.0 or 5.3. If UL even better... clearly, I assume you're using a superfreak! The advantage of a SF on a longboard is HUGE. You use the backwind so often...3) This is a bit unclear for me. Anyway, watch the video suggested by Mr. Happy: around 1:18 and 1:22 Jeff does a couple of top turns that should belong to the Bible of longboard wavesailing... too bad there was a drop of water on the lens! Agree: push that back foot as back (and on the rail) as you can.4) Yes, you need to see the wave through the window (specially in cross-offshore). Which is not a problem with a superfreak, since its PVC windows stays clear way longer than monofilm... just wash them with soap once in a while.5) One of my favorite is to go upwind (here in Maui that means left), jump on the back side of the sail and ride the wave goofy stance (also because I'm goofy). There's a few of those waves in this other video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aly0TjbeuIw and in the "Longboarding with the superfreak" video on the Hot TV page: http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/2008/hotTV/hotTV.phpAlso extremely cool is to walk to the nose when going upwind (walk your hands on the mast when you do that) or riding waves fin first and spinning the board 180 degrees (1:40 of Jeff's video)... good luck with that!Just remember to forget your aggressive shortboard waves sailing. Relax and throw some style in...6) It is actually possible to carry all at once. If you're familiar with the carrying technique in which you put the sail on your head and hold the board with the back footstrap, with a longboard you will have to put your head on the sail way closer to the mast (bend your knees, otherwise you'll hurt your back when lifting the whole thing). You won't have the footstrap to control the board, but if you got the right spot on the sail, it's going to be easy to have one rail rest against your ribs and grab the opposite rail.7) I strongly doubt you will have any advantage at all putting the straps on the Jungle for wave sailing. If it was a shorter longboard, like a 10 (that won't glide though), you may want to try some floaters and it that case streps would help.As Mr. Happy says, they would only get in the way. See how often I move the back foot when I go back side in my youtube video? It looks like I do it because I lose my balance, but instead I do it so that I can more effectively shift my weight on the rails. Of course footstraps would help also if you go in stready 15+ knots... but why in the world would you use a longboard for that? There's finally plenty big wave shortboards out there (the Goya 90l being my favorite I tried so far)...Allright brah, welcome to the club. Btw, where do you sail? Lovely thread.

My contrib:

1) As Mr. Happy said, if you can fly the sail, you can probably water start. Choose a day (or an area) with no waves and learn the light wind technique. I didn't know how to do it before, but with the longboard it's way easier to learn. And now, I can light wind water start also on my shortboard and that saved my ass multiple times at Hookipa.
BTW, also my shortboard tacking improved a lot after practicing on the longboard. And if you want to learn heli tacks, sailing clew first, sailing backwinded, sailing fin first, etc... the longboard is the easiest way to learn.

2) Agree with Jeroen. Try a 5.0 or 5.3. If UL even better... clearly, I assume you're using a superfreak! The advantage of a SF on a longboard is HUGE. You use the backwind so often...

3) This is a bit unclear for me. Anyway, watch the video suggested by Mr. Happy: around 1:18 and 1:22 Jeff does a couple of top turns that should belong to the Bible of longboard wavesailing... too bad there was a drop of water on the lens!
Agree: push that back foot as back (and on the rail) as you can.

4) Yes, you need to see the wave through the window (specially in cross-offshore). Which is not a problem with a superfreak, since its PVC windows stays clear way longer than monofilm... just wash them with soap once in a while.

5) One of my favorite is to go upwind (here in Maui that means left), jump on the back side of the sail and ride the wave goofy stance (also because I'm goofy). There's a few of those waves in this other video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aly0TjbeuIw and in the "Longboarding with the superfreak" video on the Hot TV page: http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/2008/hotTV/hotTV.php

Also extremely cool is to walk to the nose when going upwind (walk your hands on the mast when you do that) or riding waves fin first and spinning the board 180 degrees (1:40 of Jeff's video)... good luck with that!

Just remember to forget your aggressive shortboard waves sailing. Relax and throw some style in...

6) It is actually possible to carry all at once. If you're familiar with the carrying technique in which you put the sail on your head and hold the board with the back footstrap, with a longboard you will have to put your head on the sail way closer to the mast (bend your knees, otherwise you'll hurt your back when lifting the whole thing). You won't have the footstrap to control the board, but if you got the right spot on the sail, it's going to be easy to have one rail rest against your ribs and grab the opposite rail.

7) I strongly doubt you will have any advantage at all putting the straps on the Jungle for wave sailing. If it was a shorter longboard, like a 10 (that won't glide though), you may want to try some floaters and it that case streps would help.
As Mr. Happy says, they would only get in the way. See how often I move the back foot when I go back side in my youtube video? It looks like I do it because I lose my balance, but instead I do it so that I can more effectively shift my weight on the rails.
Of course footstraps would help also if you go in stready 15+ knots... but why in the world would you use a longboard for that? There's finally plenty big wave shortboards out there (the Goya 90l being my favorite I tried so far)...

Allright brah, welcome to the club. Btw, where do you sail?

]]> Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:59:58 -0700 Superfreak newbie - how am I doing? http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=47631#47631 47631@http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum Thanks for all the comments.  I will try a little less outhaul and less downhaul next time. Thanks for all the comments.  I will try a little less outhaul and less downhaul next time.

]]> Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:28:36 -0700 Hot sails for a Formula board http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=47630#47630 47630@http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum Luis wrote:Hello Jeffrey, I am 220 lbs. Do the GPS 9.8 be able to carry me on very light wind of 6 -7 knots on a oversize formula board. RegardsLuis Nope - we'll need 11-12 (ouch!)

Luis wrote:

Hello Jeffrey,

I am 220 lbs. Do the GPS 9.8 be able to carry me on very light wind of 6 -7 knots on a oversize formula board.

Regards
Luis

Nope - we'll need 11-12 (ouch!)

]]> Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:36:04 -0700 Hot sails for a Formula board http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=47629#47629 47629@http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum Hello Jeffrey, I am 220 lbs. Do the GPS 9.8 be able to carry me on very light wind of 6 -7 knots on a oversize formula board. RegardsLuis Hello Jeffrey,

I am 220 lbs. Do the GPS 9.8 be able to carry me on very light wind of 6 -7 knots on a oversize formula board.

Regards
Luis

]]> Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:17:40 -0700 Anyone ever heard of this new board? http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=47628#47628 47628@http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum I recently came across a C11-Scriber and it was like nothing I have ever seen before.  I wanted to kow if anyone knew where I could purchase one?  I have been having hell trying to find one of these things, but they dont really seem to be available in the USA.  These things look like monsters.  Spring suspension on the trucks and 'on the fly' truck adjustment.  I just want to find one to buy, they are absolutely amazing to ride; carving or bombing.  Please let me know if anyone knows... I recently came across a C11-Scriber and it was like nothing I have ever seen before.  I wanted to kow if anyone knew where I could purchase one?  I have been having hell trying to find one of these things, but they dont really seem to be available in the USA.  These things look like monsters.  Spring suspension on the trucks and 'on the fly' truck adjustment.  I just want to find one to buy, they are absolutely amazing to ride; carving or bombing.  Please let me know if anyone knows...

]]> Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:46:22 -0700 What goes with Fliud 6.0? (Quiver advice) http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=47627#47627 47627@http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum mbvizer wrote:I don't understand where the SF, fire and smack fit it.ThanksMark Hi Mark,I'd just like to tell you where the Smack fits in for me.  I have a Fluid 6.0, which is my light-wind, flat-water sail.  I also have Smacks in 5.3, 4.8 and 4.3 sizes.  The Smack may have been designed for Ho'okipa, but it is the perfect bump and jump sail for me here in Rio Vista, CA.  The launches are over rip rap, and when a gust hits I'm trying to save my board from getting smacked (sorry) on a rock.  The sail is "on its own", so it has to be tough.  Also, I don't need a sail like the Fire which can easily "turn off" on a wave.  I want a sail that is super tough and makes big power all the time.  That just works for me.Cheers

mbvizer wrote:

I don't understand where the SF, fire and smack fit it.
Thanks
Mark

Hi Mark,
I'd just like to tell you where the Smack fits in for me.  I have a Fluid 6.0, which is my light-wind, flat-water sail.  I also have Smacks in 5.3, 4.8 and 4.3 sizes.  The Smack may have been designed for Ho'okipa, but it is the perfect bump and jump sail for me here in Rio Vista, CA.  The launches are over rip rap, and when a gust hits I'm trying to save my board from getting smacked (sorry) on a rock.  The sail is "on its own", so it has to be tough.  Also, I don't need a sail like the Fire which can easily "turn off" on a wave.  I want a sail that is super tough and makes big power all the time.  That just works for me.

Cheers

]]> Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:02:36 -0700 Longboard Wavesailing technique tips http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=47626#47626 47626@http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum I agree on all points with Robin but wanna ad 2 points:1) You can take a smaller sail as 5.7I sail as long as Robin and noticd that the bigger sail doesn't make me any faster, it just sits in the way.Smaller sail= better handeling and easier throwing around preventing catching.2)The vid of Jeffrey is awesome..but don,t get frustrated....Jeff is really gifted in this.We sailed together on SUPS in Morocco and if you see what he,s doing on a wave in the given conditions, awesome....and beyond that. I agree on all points with Robin but wanna ad 2 points:
1)
You can take a smaller sail as 5.7
I sail as long as Robin and noticd that the bigger sail doesn't make me any faster, it just sits in the way.
Smaller sail= better handeling and easier throwing around preventing catching.

2)
The vid of Jeffrey is awesome..but don,t get frustrated....Jeff is really gifted in this.
We sailed together on SUPS in Morocco and if you see what he,s doing on a wave in the given conditions, awesome....and beyond that.

]]> Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:57:23 -0700 Longboard Wavesailing technique tips http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=47625#47625 47625@http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum Not an expert here but have been sailing a longboard since last year now. I'll try to give some answers that will hopefully help:1. The impact zone is not where you want to be swimming. You probably noticed that ;) Then again, if you don't fall off, you are not trying stuff. If Uphauling is not an option (this can be done pretty quickly) try waterstarting. A low wind waterstart (holding on to the lower part of the mast and the bottom part of the sail) should get you up and going.2. Never got my clew stuck in the waveface, only when sailing too close to the wave, this usually sent me back to point 1.3. Try to move more back on the board so you can make the turn faster.  There is a lot of running about on a longboard, good fun!4. If you know the break you are sailing, try thinking ahead. Everything takes just a bit longer and I normally take the slightly less critical part of the wave (as I'm not too experienced as oposed to Jeff and Cammar)5. This little clip might give you a few pointers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqA5n1caLmM (Jeff and Cammar)6. I carry rig and board seperately to the beach. When entering the water (lucky enough to be sailing a sandy beach) I tilt the board and slide the nose over the beach and hold on to the rig as I would do when entering the water with a normal rig/board combo.7. With straps you could loop the board! ;) Personally I never felt the need for straps on my board(s), they would probably get in the way when running back and forth anyway.Have fun! The longboard thing is (as you say) brilliant! And in my opinion the way to go for the sport!! Not an expert here but have been sailing a longboard since last year now. I'll try to give some answers that will hopefully help:

1. The impact zone is not where you want to be swimming. You probably noticed that ;) Then again, if you don't fall off, you are not trying stuff. If Uphauling is not an option (this can be done pretty quickly) try waterstarting. A low wind waterstart (holding on to the lower part of the mast and the bottom part of the sail) should get you up and going.

2. Never got my clew stuck in the waveface, only when sailing too close to the wave, this usually sent me back to point 1.

3. Try to move more back on the board so you can make the turn faster.  There is a lot of running about on a longboard, good fun!

4. If you know the break you are sailing, try thinking ahead. Everything takes just a bit longer and I normally take the slightly less critical part of the wave (as I'm not too experienced as oposed to Jeff and Cammar)

5. This little clip might give you a few pointers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqA5n1caLmM (Jeff and Cammar)

6. I carry rig and board seperately to the beach. When entering the water (lucky enough to be sailing a sandy beach) I tilt the board and slide the nose over the beach and hold on to the rig as I would do when entering the water with a normal rig/board combo.

7. With straps you could loop the board! ;) Personally I never felt the need for straps on my board(s), they would probably get in the way when running back and forth anyway.

Have fun! The longboard thing is (as you say) brilliant! And in my opinion the way to go for the sport!!

]]> Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:37:58 -0700 Longboard Wavesailing technique tips http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=47624#47624 47624@http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum I went out for the first time last week with a sail on my SUP (BIC Jungle) and it was brilliant.  I'm after a few sailing tips from you more experienced guys if thats OK (There are quite a few questions I'm afraid)The wind was about 8kts gusting 15 and was offshore with a bit of cross. The surf was chest/shoulder high. I was on a 5.7m1. What happens when you fall off in the impact zone?  I didn't have time to uphaul between the waves so I just flew the rig and waited to be washed ashore to beach start.  Is there a better way?2. How do you keep the clew out of the wave face when sailing down the line .  More than once the clew got caught.  I was able to pull it out but it didn't half slow me down.3. A couple of times while trying to top turn the huge board got flipped over on the wave face.  How do you stop that?  It was OK when you had the rail burried in the face on the way up the wave but as you released the pressure to turn the other way it turned over.  (Please note the board was nowhere near verticle; probabably not even horizontal)4. How do you see which bit of the wave you are trying to ride?  I tried looking round the front of the mast as on a short board, but with so little power in the sail it was difficult to do.  Do I need to polish the windows on my sails?5. What sort of things should I be trying to do?  Are there any video clips out there of talented people on a longboard so I can at least try to copy them.6. How do you carry your kit when on the beach?  With no footstraps and such a big board how you get it into the water.7. I sailed without footstraps on the board.  What advantage would these give me?Any advice would be appreciated.  If you haven't tried it before give it a go.  The day I went I would never have been able to sail a short board due to a lack of ability and I caught about 4 times more waves than I would if out on my surfboard.  As I said at the start; it was brilliant. I went out for the first time last week with a sail on my SUP (BIC Jungle) and it was brilliant.  I'm after a few sailing tips from you more experienced guys if thats OK (There are quite a few questions I'm afraid)

The wind was about 8kts gusting 15 and was offshore with a bit of cross. The surf was chest/shoulder high. I was on a 5.7m

1. What happens when you fall off in the impact zone?  I didn't have time to uphaul between the waves so I just flew the rig and waited to be washed ashore to beach start.  Is there a better way?

2. How do you keep the clew out of the wave face when sailing down the line .  More than once the clew got caught.  I was able to pull it out but it didn't half slow me down.

3. A couple of times while trying to top turn the huge board got flipped over on the wave face.  How do you stop that?  It was OK when you had the rail burried in the face on the way up the wave but as you released the pressure to turn the other way it turned over.  (Please note the board was nowhere near verticle; probabably not even horizontal)

4. How do you see which bit of the wave you are trying to ride?  I tried looking round the front of the mast as on a short board, but with so little power in the sail it was difficult to do.  Do I need to polish the windows on my sails?

5. What sort of things should I be trying to do?  Are there any video clips out there of talented people on a longboard so I can at least try to copy them.

6. How do you carry your kit when on the beach?  With no footstraps and such a big board how you get it into the water.

7. I sailed without footstraps on the board.  What advantage would these give me?


Any advice would be appreciated.  If you haven't tried it before give it a go.  The day I went I would never have been able to sail a short board due to a lack of ability and I caught about 4 times more waves than I would if out on my surfboard.  As I said at the start; it was brilliant.

]]> Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:12:33 -0700 Fire & Superfreak, the perfect combo? http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=47623#47623 47623@http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum Thanks for that mast advice Jeff. I'll keep my HR340 then for those galactical days on the Swedish west coast./Magnus Thanks for that mast advice Jeff. I'll keep my HR340 then for those galactical days on the Swedish west coast.
/Magnus

]]> Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:32:59 -0700 11.2 Tufskin Wavesailing http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=47622#47622 47622@http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum Everyone is redirecting me from the 9.8 to the 11.2 for the "all arounder" one board quiver. My budget allows only for tufskin(also lots of rocks in Rhode Island). I am looking for any feedback on how this board handles light wind wavesailing at 165 lbs. I know the tufskin models do not have fcs fin option. We get allot of waist high days here w/ side on condistions and just want to make sure I can make it out in light winds and catch waves- thinking 5.3-5.7 and light winds. Anyone with experience wavesailing the 11.2 plz chime in. I know for SUP its perfect just need the wavesailing insight.Thanks again Everyone is redirecting me from the 9.8 to the 11.2 for the "all arounder" one board quiver. My budget allows only for tufskin(also lots of rocks in Rhode Island). I am looking for any feedback on how this board handles light wind wavesailing at 165 lbs. I know the tufskin models do not have fcs fin option. We get allot of waist high days here w/ side on condistions and just want to make sure I can make it out in light winds and catch waves- thinking 5.3-5.7 and light winds. Anyone with experience wavesailing the 11.2 plz chime in. I know for SUP its perfect just need the wavesailing insight.
Thanks again

]]> Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:58:24 -0700 Learning riggs vs performance riggs http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=47621#47621 47621@http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum Those are MicroFreaks, 2.8, 3.2 or 3.8. These are the best choice if the child is smaller, but bigger kids can use a regular Super Freak, and then it can be used by "dad" in the annual storm. Biggest issue is price- A performance sail needs a performance mast. Those are MicroFreaks, 2.8, 3.2 or 3.8. These are the best choice if the child is smaller, but bigger kids can use a regular Super Freak, and then it can be used by "dad" in the annual storm. Biggest issue is price- A performance sail needs a performance mast.

]]> Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:24:23 -0700 Replacing sail batten on S.O http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=47620#47620 47620@http://www.hotsailsmaui.com/forum Yes, your correct. Many battens will work from Gaastra, NP and others. Round 8mm batten. Yes, your correct. Many battens will work from Gaastra, NP and others. Round 8mm batten.

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